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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/f...icle3555502.ece
"Half of all Britons believe Jesus rose from the dead, according to research published today.
According to the survey, 57 per cent of adults believe that Jesus was crucified, buried and rose from the dead. "

It's interesting to note how few Brits actually agree with much of the rubbish spewed on this forum regarding Jesus.

Truth is not democratic.

A large pool of people who are completely wrong about something doesn't make the thing they believe in true. There is no evidence that Jesus even lived, let alone anything else.

At one point 100% of the world though the earth was flat. So what?

only 13% of those questioned deny Jesus's existance.

Then only 13% take the rational evidence-based approach. That's why house prices got so high. Yeh, I've got us back on topic!

if it was 100%, the truth doesn't change.

Truth isn't democratic.

I think we can establish now that "The God Delusion" has been a complete failure, well for except for whoever cashed in on it.

I know, the truth is Jesus rose from the dead I believe, you are free to disagree but without evidence to the contrary why would anyone listen to you or gamble their eternal security on your little conspiracy theories?

Well unfortunately I dont believe in Jesus full stop, as for Jesus dying to save us all he hasnt done a particularly good job thus far.

I think there is a God of some description, however those that self proclaim in the past, and indeed today they have a direct line to God therefore any decision they make comes with Gods Blessing is in my view the reason 80,000 women and children have died in Iraq.

There is no reason to believe me.

The truth remains the same, even if no one does.

Jesus never existed. It's just a fact.

we won't believe you, mainly because you have no evidence to present to support your latest conspiracy theory

I don't require any.

I am not the one asserting anything, those who say that there was someone called jesus do. The default position is that he doesn't exist, and then proof needs to be provided otherwise.

Do you have any evidence?

I take it you're an atheist with regards every other god that has ever been believed into existence. Will you regail us with your evidence to deny the existence of each one of them please? If you have no evidence for that then to be a christian you must at least have evidence either for the exisence of the god you do believe in, or you've got some sort of probability-payoff matrix covering the chance of every god existing and the benefit you'll receive from following them. Any chance you could let us in on that?

Please scarlets, it's late - and it's a dark and windy night. And I'm alone in a creaky house. Will you please stop all this talk about zombie Nazarenes creeping out of their graves? I'll never sleep. (Or was he a vampire? I always found all that stuff about the blood of Christ and transubstantiation rather unsettling.)

Not as cut and dried as that; Accounts by Josephus for a start and Israelis are starting to uncover supporting archaeology to support his existence and the 'players' in the new testament. The remains of Caiphas the High Priest who condemned him for a start. Not 100% proof i accept but no less proof than the acceptance of Dark Matter theory despite only scientific data which infers its existence or even more stretched 'string theory".

I find it intriguing tbh

Don't put too much stock in denying conspiracy theories. It pays to remember that the biggest nutter theory of all is the idea that no group of people has ever conspired.

oh don't lie, you asserted Jesus never existed despite all the evidence to the contrary, which you've obviously never bothered to investigate. If you don't require evidence to back up your beliefs that's fine, but don't expect credibility from no one else, and please don't be a hypocrit and demand evidecen from others when you don't have or require any to back up your own beliefs. Ciao.

There is also no evidence to say that he didn't. I believe in what I want to believe in. If you don't believe it then that's fine by me but I'm a Christian and it's something I believe in what is wrong with that,

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No wonder the UK is turning like the US into a third world sh1thole.

the demise has come hand in hand with the creeping secularisation of our society since the 1960s

Evidence? That sounds like FACTS!

There is evidence that the jesus story is a jewish interpretation of other stories from the mediterranean/persia and that the stories of jesus/horus/osiris/etc are allegorical rather than factual. In the end you have to deny one set of evidence or the other, and since there is no contemporary historian who wrote about jesus (except for the josephus forgery) it's best just to leave the whole thing and get on with life like the 43% do.

You believe of course, but with very limited evidence for the existence of God or Jesus, let alone the resurrection, it should be up to you to provide the evidence for Jesus' existence, not the other way round, as Injin points out.

I also do not think I am gambling with eternity. If there is a heaven, will our all-forgiving God really punish those who have thought logically about the evidence using the brains He gave us, and decided against the probability of his existence? If they have led a good, moral life they will have a pleasant afterlife. Or will it be a case of "Murderers, rapists and atheists take the down lift to level H."

But hang on, Jesus died for the forgiveness of sins, so the slate is wiped clean, isn't it? I never quite figured how that bit worked.

I'm not lying.

I've never seen any evidence for the existence of this Jesus bloke. Have you?

In the absence of evidence, a sensible person assumes there is nothing of substance being discussed. That being the case, I shall await the evidence that is apprently plentiful before commetning further.

There were lots of messiahs at the time..... like discussion forums, trendy.

I'm shocked...... but very pleased to hear that poll...

We have historical facts about Jesus non Biblical ..not that its needed for a Christian..

and if you don't like these threads..no one is making you stay... so whats keeping you in them?

Was Jesus a Black Man ?

Something that has always intrigued me to know as all the churches I have been in portray Jesus as a white man who was born in the middle east.

Is God white ?

If both are indeed white, then how can that be so ?

We're reverse engineering.

No, Jesus wasn't black. He was Japanese. It was always really funny when he said "halleluyah".

Thats a lie because although the Japanese can make great cars, they are useless at carpentry.

I wouldn't call middle eastern people black...I imagine a mediterrean colour.

No one knows what God looks like. People who have had experiences talk about a light so bright but no body form.

Make your fvcking mind up.

That's a terrible thing to say - they are absolutely great at carpentry and have the best tools. I think this comes down to Jesus living most of his life there:


http://www.samsloan.com/jesusjap.htm

I've never imagined Jesus being 3ft 10in

I read a book when I was in France that suggested Jesus lived in the South of France, close to Carcassone in the languedoc region.

And I am deadly serious.

saying to God you thought logically about the evidence which led you to reject him will not help you on the day of judgement
people's sins will convict them, and we all have them
that's why you need Jesus as your lawyer, not only will he wipe your sins away with his blood but he has already taken the punishment for them for you, and he won't charge you

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Ask 5 year-olds if they believe in father xmas and see what % agree. If >50% then it must be true!

AMEN to that

if God interfered in human affairs every time we do something offensive to Him, then we wouldn't have any freedom or free will

Whats the revelance of this statement to this thread?!?

it's no use questioning God's existance every time something evil happens
if there wasn't good then we couldn't identify evil
God is good, he will intervene directly and majestically in man's affairs in the end times
Until then, the Holy Spirit is at work bringing people to Christ every day

yes but what relevance has that to the discussion in this thread?

PS ever heard about flirt divert on radio one?

we ned to set up a thread divert hotline for you LOL

EDIT: Humour

What is free will Scarlets?

It's the thing she denied the existence of on the other thread yesterday.

I feel really sorry for her/him. Someone has done a hatchet job and twisted a desire to be good into an awful pretzel of conforimty and fear.

Your probably right there, however this doesn't prove the existence of God or Jesus. With the demise of Christianity in the UK there is definately a "moral vacum" that needs filling. However our corrupt and inept polititions are unable to do this.

I never claimed this as evidence for the existance of God or Jesus.
Atheism & secularism will create a vaccum. It will eventaully generate a Christian revival and American-style Christian right, or, we will see a growing influence of Islam in the UK. Take your pick.

I would have thought that you would appreciate the growing spread of Islam in this country. Your values are more Islamic than Christian.

Nonsense.

The increased standard of living that rationality brings will eventually wipe out religions. That rationality also means a rejection of voodoo mumbo jumbo is just a side effect, really. Every generation, fewer and fewer of us are abused with lies as children, and so fewer and fewer of us have the scar tissue of religion to stop us from thinking about things rationally.

As more of us think rationally, our standard of living increases. Peopel always pick genuine real increases in heir standard of living over promises of life after death, because promises from liars and belief in the mystical aren't worth as much as a nice house, comfy sofa, TV and your kids dropping dead from disease before the age of 12.