Lets claim our country back...

Why? It's crap.

Im with you. We require direct action, a bit like our french counterparts. We have huge following on this site. We just need to get concus and mobilise in a certain direction. Perhaps get other online communties and pressure groups involved too.

What are we after?

1. Better democracy? I dont think we have a full democracy here, but im no expert. Would PR help?
2. Transparency in government.
3. Removal of special interests such as unions and public sector with thier cushy numbers and final salary pension?

Im thinking if we could organise a 1 day strike, where the entire private sector downs tools. What do you think?

As a country, we've been there done that at least twice. All to no avail. Much like 'However you vote, the govt always gets in', with revolutions its similar, but the ruling classes always get the power and money.

Read Animal Farm..

Bobby, LOL at your remark: Priceless!

Most of the posters here just want affordable housing then they will be right, it aint a revolution

Just keep your hands (and loot) in your pockets. HMG and the financial establishment has shouted that they will reward caution whilst they have encouraged debt.

They really want you to spend and borrow. Be revolutionary - don't spend a penny more than you need to. If enough people do this (and many won't have an option soon), the system will come crashing down of its own accord.

p-o-p

We better learn to spell it first though, or we just look stupid.

Step 1: Housebuyers' strike!

AUX ARMES CITOYENS!!!

Does that include the big bit of Ireland we gave away in 1922?

Re spending strike - maybe now we should be boycotting everything made in China (over the Tibet issue). Since so much stuff is made in China these days that would have a big effect on our economy too.

PS I wonder if MI5 is monitoring this site yet LOL

What's that in Polish?

Unfortunately, we're in the Brave New World so we can't.

In a nutshell, Aldous Huxley, in the above-mentioned book, essentially predicted that the people would become infantilised by a statist government policed by a bunch of effective managers. The people, as long as they were made to feel prosperous, would be distracted by mindless entertainment and drivel.

Instead of a government promoting positive freedoms and automony, the world would become a petty "police state" filled with bans and restrictions for the universal good.

The last chance of a revolution died when the Iraq War protest did not divert the Govt from its tracks. The people know they have lost and would rather watch EastEnders.

Might be easier to pack off our bankers and nom doms into a ship and let them wreck someone elses economy.

How about organising "not spending any money" days. I tried that yesterday but it didn't work. I bought a latte and a Times!

Not so sure. If times get harder more people will feel angry. People used to say the USSR was indestructable and communism was a growing threat - but look what happened to it. In the 1970s, the USSR was, arguably, the world's most powerful country.

I remember also how the world looked on in disbelief when the Shah of Iran was deposed and replaced by a very short-lived democratic socialist government that was, in turn, swept away by a barbaric mediaeval revoloution led by an evil old cleric who'd been exiled to Paris for 20 years. If that could happen, anything can.

Here in UK the poll tax riot came from almost nowhere and seriously wobbled the Thatcher government.

Not forgetting the years of turmoil and murder in Northern Ireland that began with a few women banging dustbin lids in 1969.

People are rarely as safe as they think they are - the Chinese authorities are discovering this about their nation as I type.

Especially since the Shah was installed following a British backed coup to keep the oil from being nationalised.

He was no saint, and it was when his troops opened fire on student demontrators that his days were up. But before that the world assumed that Iran was a peaceful, fairly tolerant place. I knew an Iranian in the 1970s and that's the impression he gave me.

"Relovution Required In Uk, Lets wake up fellow sheeple"

Can we watch Eastenders first?*



*Sorry old Spitting Image joke, couldn't resist.

By the way if your serious about relovution - or even revolution - watch Adam Curtis's 'The Century of the Self' or 'The Trap' and you'll realise how well the system is sown up. Bill Still's video 'Money Masters' will cement your understanding for you. All of these are readily available on Google Video.

Yours, Agent Smith.

The answer is northern rock.

As a nationalised bank it I believe is now owned by the people.

Share holders took the profits and now will take the hit ( minimal Compensation ) the BOE should be told to whistle for the money its owed and offered £1 per month as a good gesture, although its our money anyway so maybe zip.

We the people now own the bank, it offers good rates, value to money mortgages and all profit goes back into the public purse.

I'm not sure the poll in another thread as to who is to blame will be sufficiently conclusive for concerted action to be agreed upon.

I blame Gordon...this means it's in our hands and action can be taken...and it is.

Just pointing out that he was installed by a British backed coup because the other guy was going to nationalise oil, he was a puppet to the west they hadn't dreamed up WMD in those days. That is the suprising bit why they let him fall.

Same as the bloke thats runnning Afghanistan he is a good ole boy his contender wasn't a puppet thats why he was assasinated.

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Unfortunately, we're in the Brave New World so we can't.

In a nutshell, Aldous Huxley, in the above-mentioned book, essentially predicted that the people would become infantilised by a statist government policed by a bunch of effective managers. The people, as long as they were made to feel prosperous, would be distracted by mindless entertainment and drivel.

Instead of a government promoting positive freedoms and automony, the world would become a petty "police state" filled with bans and restrictions for the universal good.

Well I'm glad to say that the plan has not been 100% effective.There are still a few of us who have managed to keep our brains in the face of this psychological onslaught.No doubt we are ssen as subversive and "not with the programme"

what we have to be very mindful of now,is phase 2 of the psy-ops WHEN the downswing hits.

essentially the sheeple will get angry,start rioting and cause criminality....and the THE STATE kicks in with the solution,ie give up your freedom and nanny will protect you.

The nanny-state is like the drug addict....and the LAST thing you give junkies/alchies and the like is MORE drugs.A dose of cold turkey and personal responsibility is in order.I know its bitter medicine but it works.

I've been thinking about this for quite a while, what it would actually take for people to get off their backsides and protest.

My conclusion is, it just isn't going to happen no matter how bad things get. The globalists have been waging psychological and actual warfare against the people for decades.

There has been some very obvious legislation such as the ban on handguns designed to assure there is no uprising.

But much of the way the world is run is less obvious and very insidious.

They feed our brains with junk but they also feed our stomachs with junk. They are literally poisoning the people to death with tainted food and fluridation of water supply is still being used in many parts of the world under the pretence that it prevents tooth decay when in fact it is a known pathogen. It's no surprise that so many people are overweight and lethargic when you see what they eat and drink.

The smoking ban is an interesting one because governments NEED smokers. They are very profitable for the government and yet they have brought in laws to deprive smokers of their freedom to smoke in enclosed spaces. Notice how they do not punish the tobacco companies. The burden for smoking must fall on the smoker, not the people who run the tobacco companies.

I think a revolution is now impossible. The state is just too strong.

But the irony is, IF people did decide to take action EN MASSE, the system could be brought down very easlily. The powers that be know this and do evrything in their power to prevent it.

And I would add that what is happening in the world right now is evil beyond comprehension.

We are living in very dangerous times. Freedom and liberty have never been under threat in such an all encompassing and global manner. The true motives of shift towards globalization and one world government are very chilling indeed.

My philosophy is : if your trying to slay a serpent cut off its head.

The west let the Shah of Iran fall because troops had opened fire on a student demonstration and the likely replacement was a moderate socialist government lead by, if I remember, a Dr. Baktiar. But he only lasted a few weeks before the Ayatollah Khomeni was swept to power on a tide of madness.

If you're suggesting we cut off Gordon Brown's head, why bother. He doesn't run the country. He just does as he is told by the puppetmasters. It is they that must be rooted out and decapitated

Revolutions normally only occur after the downslide of a country's fortunes has completed and there is the first inkling of a recovery. At that time the VI of the old regime normally try to grab all the benefits of any upturn for themselves, excluding those they have down trodden for years. It is when the first glimmers of hope are whipped away from the masses that they usually rise in revolt. Britain is nowhere near that stage yet. Come back in 5-7 years and things may be different.

The people most likely to riot, the young, wont because they couldn`t get on the ladder, and therefore have nothing to lose, they will just roll a joint and wait for prices to drop. The people who should riot wont because it is not in them or they are too old. Sure there will be a lot of noise and hot air, but we will not have the Mad max scenario. Who will enforce the will of the state? The very people called on to enforce will be losing money on their BTL? All that will happen is that the state as we know it will collapse, there will be a plan in place already to tweak things up a little so it is more acceptable to the sheeple, the fly in the ointment is that the thousand year plan the banks had for making money is f*cked up, maybe we will see angry bankers rioting? If there is real economic collapse people will just be glad that the state is feeding them from a soup kitchen and the need to rebuild will be on everyones mind?

and then they nationalised the oil which makes them evil

A few hundred in a protest for greater control of the property VIs would not go amiss.

Outside the offices of the Land Registry would be good.

I bet the guys at MI5/MI6 (get confused which is which) are having great fun reading this thread looking out for possible insurrection by the people.

Well if you want, take inspiration from a few young monks . What they are doing requires balls. Uk is not yet at the stage where it is that dangerous to take to the streets, unless you have a long beard and a hook for a hand.

We haven't had a revolution of any significance since 1689. Times might be different now. As to no avail, I'm not sure, I think that revolution saw me protected from cruel and unusual punishments, (amongst other things).

Optobear

I think the closest we got to a revolution was Diana's funeral. I think there was a frisson of terror in Westminster Abbey when the ruling class assembled there realised they were absolutely surrounded by thousands and thousands of 'little people' all full of righteous indignation. The way that Mexican wave of applause broke out following Earl Spencer's speech must have rattled them. It's a shame that 'the masses' only bare their teeth when life resembles a soap opera.

You ought to read the comments left by readers in the online Daily Telegraph.

Every time a columnist slags off NuFascist, their are hundreds of people posting messages saying how corrupt and evil the whole system is.

Checkout the comments posted after Simon Heffer's article on capitalism in todays' Telegraph

And of course, you have to leave your e-mail address to post a message.........so they'll know who these people are

That's right, I wasn't. I was referring to the Bilderbergers. They are the puppet masters.

What happens if Gordon is like Hydra? It is not a pretty image, a multiple headed Gordon.

p-o-p

I mentioned M15 too on this thread. Actually, the most likely involvement on here by MI5 is their employees coming on HPC in their spare time as genuine HPC-ers!

The current situation looks like if it gets really bad, a lot of the supposed 'conspirators' will fall hardest. We need to wait to the end and see who's left unscathed and then point the finger of suspicion!

Ah - just invented a great new job opportunity! A personal poverty coach - a kind of lifestyle trainer who grooms wealthy people in how to appear to have come down in the world like all their buddies!

Agent Brown shares his initials with the date rape drug, GHB. Perhaps its not beyond the realms of possibility.

(Gordon Hamish Brown)



(Editted for effects of Lithium)

Here, here, good comments.

ID cards and digital money, that's all it needs.

Anyone see The Last Enemy, rather good I thought considering it was Beeb?

Anyway, divide and rule has pretty much ruined all our chances of a mass uprising, how many people do you know in your neighbourhood?

Sheeple in the UK will happily pay 3x the amount that a house cost 8 years ago, take on enormous crippling mortgages, pay soaring council tax, gas, electricity etc but ask them to pay a fixed rate community charge and they're out in the streets with broken bottles, bits of wood and iron bars calling for a change of government.

By Henry Makow Ph.D.
August 28, 2002

International bankers live in fear.

Not of starvation, disease or war. These are the concerns of children in the Third World.

Bankers are terrified we might object to paying them billions each year in interest for money they create out of nothing, guaranteed by our taxes. (The Federal Reserve Board, a private cartel of mostly foreign banks, finagled this monopoly in 1913.)

The bankers are frightened that, like the homeless man's dog, we might say, "I can do this myself."

They are scared the government might go even further and "default" on trillions of make-believe "debt."

They are frightened of losing "control."

In order to sleep more soundly, the bankers have taken "steps."

These precautions help us to understand the world we live in, why it is becoming safer for bankers but less safe and more bizarre for everyone else.

First, people with money machines tend to have a lot of friends. The bankers helped their friends establish monopolies in oil, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, transportation, media,etc. and took a healthy stake. As you can imagine, these people are thick as thieves. Lawyers, journalists and intellectuals all vie for a piece of the action. (Servicing this cartel of cartels is what passes for success these days.)

The bankers' first precaution is to buy all the politicians. The second is to buy the major media outlets in order to promote the illusion politicians make decisions and represent our interests. The third precaution is to take control of the education system, ensuring that people stop thinking at an early age.

Then the bankers use the government and media to convince us that religion, nationalism and nuclear family are unfashionable, and we want what they want.

We "want" world government ("globalisation"). The bankers need to eliminate nation states, freedom and democracy in order to streamline their business and consolidate their power. The UN, the IMF and World Bank, -- glorified loan sharks and collectors -- will make the laws.

We "want" diversity. Countries are not allowed to maintain their national identities or traditions. Last Christmas, Gary Doer, my provincial premier tried to rename the Christmas tree at the legislature a "multicultural tree." Diversity is respecting every culture but our own. Every nation must be heterogeneous and disparate as a box of Smarties -- no one in a position to challenge the bankers.

Or take "feminism." Masquerading as equal rights for women, this Marxist Lesbian ideology is designed to destroy the nuclear family (the basic building block of society) by undermining paternal authority. Cultural differences between men and women are not "stereotypes." But signatories to the latest UN "CEDAW" Convention (recently passed by the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee) will be required to "take all appropriate measures to modify all social and cultural patterns of conduct of men and women." (Article 5)

This kind of Communist-inspired social engineering is simply persecution of heterosexuals. It is intended to arrest our natural development: the birth rate has halved while the divorce rate has doubled. An army of highly paid lawyers, social workers and bureaucrats treat the casualties. These self-serving do-gooders are the bankers' biggest constituency.

People --stunted, love-starved, sex-obsessed -- without family, religious or national identity, are easy to control. (They'll join anything; they are looking for a family.) But in case of resistance, the bankers have created a bogeyman, "terrorism" to justify a huge security apparatus.

The Office of Homeland Security is designed to control us -- the domestic population. Why would this be necessary? We're "in debt" trillions of dollars and the bankers intend that we pay. One day they will take away our toys. In case it's a problem, an Orwellian police state will be in place. But first,the Muslims must be subjugated and robbed.

Talking about the United States as if it were an independent country is silly. American politicians pawned U.S. sovereignty in 1913. Ever since, U.S. soldiers have been bullyboys for international bankers, and nothing else.

The American taxpayer and soldier made the First World War possible. It started just six months after the establishment of the "Fed". Its purpose was to increase debt, cripple the great European nation states, slaughter a generation, and establish two of the bankers' pet projects: Communism (Russia) and Zionism (Palestine.) After the war ended, banker world government -- The League of Nations (a.k.a., "The League to Enforce Peace") was established.

The US didn't enter the Second World War in Dec. 1941 to save Western Civilization. England had stood alone against Germany for more than two years. The U.S. entered the war just six months after Hitler attacked Russia. The purpose was to save Communism! [I am indebted to A.K. Chesterton ("The New Unhappy Lords," 1969) for this insight] For the same reason, the USSR got $5 billion in U.S. lend-lease after the war ended.

After the smoke cleared, Communists instead of Nazis tyrannized Eastern Europe. Soviet agents/ US diplomats Alger Hiss and Harry Hopkins established the United Nations on land donated by John D. Rockefeller. One of the UN's first acts was to create the State of Israel.

Ben Hecht (A Child of the Century) wrote "the Twentieth Century was cut off at its knees by World War One." Before committing suicide in 1942, Stefan Zweig (The World of Yesterday) spoke in the same tones about the demise of Western Civilization.

The planet has been hijacked. Our leaders are dupes, opportunists, traitors or all three. Almost everything we know about modern history is a hoax. A stench of moral compromise hangs over our public and cultural life. Anything promoted by the media, education, or government is suspect. This is what happens when we deny God.

This is what our children will inherit, a world that is safe ... for international bankers.

No, the trouble makers were the paid idiots, sent in as they are with any anti-globalisation protest.
They stir up the scene, get some lovely images for the media which then allows the state to kick **** in the name of protecting property.
In the meantime, the protest is rubbished, public opinion swayed and the state wins some more power.

Anyone remember the old Etonian arrested at the Poll tax riots, hmmmmmm, MI5 maybe?

The poll tax riots were caused and amplified to ensure Thatcher was out, that's all.

Can I say, that is a very well written and concise piece, well dug out.
Got any more?

I agree, so how can the average man in the street **** these international bankers over?

If this site is correct, I think that for each pound taken out of the bank and not spent, one denies the government about 15p and the bank around £20 of lending ability.

Revolution through leverage - whatever that is in Latin or French.

p-o-p

Perhaps this represents a good opportunity to nationalise banks and return Govt borrowing to be interest free.

There's heaps of stuff out there.

If you look into freemasonry on the internet, you will find a lot of interesting articles like this.

Tony Blair is 33rd degree Scottish Rite freemason for example.

Do the pens work in nationalised banks? Perhaps a Northern Rock customer could advise?

p-o-p

Start here:

http://www.moneyreformparty.org.uk/