If the pope really wanted to do some good he would abolish the rule about not able to use condoms.

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jsp...=20080311153823

All the Catholic Church has done is apply sins to today's world/modern activities and look at the venom and hatred from the atheists and other opponents of the Church, published happily by the beeb.

Well, seeing how the Pope basically lives in an art gallery and runs one of the richest organisations in the world, it is pretty hypocritical to add "Accumulating excessive wealth" to the updated 7 deadly sins !!!

Woohoo, Scarlets is back for another "debate".

I think this one (currently the second most popular comment on the "have your say") is fair enough:
"If the pope really wanted to do some good he would abolish the rule about not able to use condoms."

condoms only serve to put fuel on the fire

Church teaches that sex is within marriage only. Explain to me how HIV/AIDS spreads around society if people in society abide by that teaching?

will anyone explain? or humbly accept that the Church teaching is spot on?

So all those evil haemophiliacs contracted AIDS by having sex outside wedlock, did they ? There was I, thinking it was contaminated blood.

quit shifting the goalpost and say if you accept that adherence to the Church's teaching on sex within marraige only would either 1. increase or 2. decrease the spread of sexual diseases, HIV/AIDS etc.

Well it depends if I've married a virgin or a crack whore !! Or should I marry Madam Palm and her 5 lovely daughters ?

you are in so much denial

I see Ima20something has run away from confronting the truth once again

Why does (and has) the church decided to teach that sex out of wedlock is wrong, Scarlets79?

don't you know? ever heard of the Bible?

I certainly have heard of it, yes.

I have two further questions:

1. Where specifically in The Bible does it say that sex outside of wedlock is wrong?

2. Are you suggesting that if The Bible asserts something that the church should teach it and that we should adopt whatever it says as a way of life?

I certainly have heard of it, yes.

I have two further questions:

1. Where specifically in The Bible does it say that sex outside of wedlock is wrong?

2. Are you suggesting that if The Bible asserts something that the church should teach it and that we should adopt whatever it says as a way of life?

Yeah! Lets all go round cutting the hands off of women who grab their partners genitals while they argue with their neighbours!!!!

1. it's one of the ten commandments for starters

1. it's one of the ten commandments for starters
2. trick question, give example of what you're referring to, scripture needs to be interpreted in its appropriate and overall CONTEXT

While I'm waiting for you to tell me which of the Ten Commandments says that sex outside of wedlock is wrong,

I would like you to explain why you think my second question ('Are you suggesting that if The Bible asserts something that the church should teach it and that we should adopt whatever it says as a way of life?') is a 'trick'.

Should we take what The Bible says as truth or not. Should we live by everything it condones and asserts or not?

Just saying that any question is a 'trick' just because it's a bit too hard for you is a pretty poor show.

why don't you read them and have a guess?

why don't you read them and have a guess?

you're playing games, the question is not too hard, it displays lack of understanding of scripture and doctrine, context and interpretation etc.
I asked you to provide an example but you have not, I know why- because you're playing games sunshine

I see Ima20something has run away from confronting the truth once again

1. it's one of the ten commandments for starters

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jsp...=20080311153823

All the Catholic Church has done is apply sins to today's world/modern activities and look at the venom and hatred from the atheists and other opponents of the Church, published happily by the beeb.

I appreciate the questions are really starting to pile up now, but I'd like to ask just one more if you'll indulge me.

Why you just feck off and stop wasting everyone's time with your ill-thought-out points of view and so-called 'discussion' topics?

EDIT:
I must apologise for this post. Given a little time to ponder my actions, I now very much regret it, and wish I'd never posted it.

Explain to me how HIV/AIDS spreads around society if people in society abide by that teaching?

But I've never been to Egypt !!

No it's not.

Exodus 20:14
You shall not commit adultery.

Deuteronomy 5:18
Neither shall you commit adultery.

That's not the same as extra-marital sex.

Oh and another thing, Scarlets, effective contraception is about much more than preventing the spread of disease. Interestingly one of the new 7 deadly sins is inflicting poverty yet by forcing people to have large families that's exactly what the catholic church is doing. In many parts of the world, particularly the third world, resources such as food are scarce and medical facilities poor. Women in Africa for example run a scarily high risk of death during childbirth and excessive population growth is a major cause of famine in large parts of the world. At some point we are simply going to run out of food and resources and having large families is simply hastening this along.

Use of condoms or other contraception, even or especially in a loving, monogamous relationship is going to be essential in the not-too-distant future or else people are simply going to starve to death.

BTW - I for one would just like to thank God, who, in his infinite wisdom and majesty, decided to put on this earth an extremely virolent, contagious and debilitating disease like HIV/AIDS. I'm sure it fits into his master plan for us all to kill off loads of people over a very prolonged amount of time. And how about cancer ? I take it all the people who have this are evil and sinful as well.......!

are you without sin? do you know anyone who is?

go get yourself a dictionary, you are humiliating yourself here with your weird denials

www.dictionary.com

adultery

noun
extramarital sex that willfully and maliciously interferes with marriage relations; "adultery is often cited as grounds for divorce"

are you without sin? do you know anyone who is?

catholic church is forcing no one to have sex

So, this boy deserves cancer because he's a sinner

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/7252344.stm

and this bloke clearly isn't, as he's healthy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambrid...ire/4293158.stm

Hmmmmm....... not too sure about that one....!

I'm feeling a bit left out. Scarlets79 didn't address my questions at all.

Bishop given leave over rumours

The Bishop of St Davids has agreed to take a leave of absence after rumours surrounding his marriage break up.

Bishop Carl Cooper took the decision after consultation with the Archbishop of Wales, Dr Barry Morgan, the Church in Wales said.

The bishop was at the centre of media speculation after he announced he was separating from his wife of 25 years.

His chaplain, Reverend Mandy Williams Potter, has publicly said rumours about their relationship are untrue.

Mrs Williams Potter, who is also Bishop Cooper's communications officer, previously said newspaper speculation had been very distressing for both families.

The Church in Wales announced the Bishop of St Davids's leave of absence, which is a period of leave usually given under exceptional circumstances, in a statement.

It said: "Following consultation with the Archbishop of Wales, Dr Barry Morgan, about the particular difficulties in the Diocese of St Davids, the Bishop of St Davids, the Rt Rev Carl Cooper, has agreed to take leave of absence."

Petition

It is not yet known what will happen during Bishop Cooper's leave of absence.

Last week, two vicars in the diocese, the Reverend Will Strange and the Reverend Peter Jones, asked colleagues to petition the Archbishop of Wales for an investigation.

The Church in Wales confirmed the archbishop received a petition from clergy calling for an investigation into allegations about the conduct of Bishop Cooper.

The letter said there was "great concern" at the speculation surrounding the bishop's marital breakdown.

Bishop Cooper, who has three children aged 22, 20 and 17, has said he has no plans to resign from his post, following allegations about his private life.

He and his wife Joy confirmed there was no one else involved on either side and they were committed to an amicable relationship.

At the time, the Archbishop of Wales, Dr Barry Morgan, said he was "enormously sad" to hear the news.

Bishop Cooper took up his post in St Davids in 2002.

As well as Pembrokeshire, the modern diocese also covers the counties of Ceredigion and Carmarthenshire and parts of Powys.