Whom gave this government the right to recognize an independent kosovo? The Albainians whom live there all ready have a country?

Milliband the boy idiot has caused us more strain with Russia a country we will have to increasingly rely on for resources.

Whats the matter Smiffy? Scared of the Russians are you? Cluck....cluck.....cluck!

They followed the yanks lead as usual, but didn't stop to think what that means for our own union of nations. The political implications are huge but yet again UK Govt decided not to think about consequences.

My missus is happy though as it now gives hope for the greater Hungary to be reborn as Trianon is torn up. The whole region is going to get VERY interesting over the next few years.

Good old colonial empire...

What's this got to do with HPC?

I agree nothing,

However whilst on the subject...... Kosovo is a sovereign part of Serbia into which a large number of Albanians migrated - this is just a carve up and should never of happened. It has created an isamic republic within a secular state.

What next The Independant Islamic Republic of Burnley or Leicester

mmmm - you see the NWO has always had plans for the breakup of the USSR and the orthodox religion - entirely predictable... our politicians are toadies for foreign powers.

everything - the same puppets that create HPI create war too....

Er... I don't think that's quite what you meant, is it? You meant that K. is a part of a sovereign state, like English counties.

YES Kosovo is a part of serbia and has been for a millenium

Thank you - that is what I meant!

Nothing and everything.

Nothing because it is happening as we speak and is like a rolling stone that will roll and get bigger and biger taking no prisoners as it flattens peoples life's all thanks to Gordon and Tony (the one that got away).

Everything, because Russia can play hard ball with our energy security, our currency and arm factions in kosovo igniting a new Balkans war between Islam and Christianity. Russia can hurt our balance of payments as well.

5,000 known active nuclear warheads should give anyone excuse enough to be scared of the Russians.

Does that mean that the rest of us wouldn't have to pay for
-housing benefits
-race relations officers
-cultural understanding liaison officers
-translation services
etc for these areas?
Bring it on!

Fair Point!

What the hell has Milliband got on his lip?

That would be the tidemark one gets after kissing a$$.

Okay, but enough about the HP boom 'n' bust - what about the Kosovo business?

In 1999 I served in Kosovo as a young wet behind the ears Army Bomb Disposal Officer. The way the VJ (Serb paramilitary police) and some of the local Serbs treated the Albanians was awful. My job was to recover dead bodies to ensure that there were no mines or booby traps etc,. Got around the country a bit, and met women who had been gang raped & was witness to the effects of other bad stuff etc, etc,.

But - within 2 days of our arrival in Pristina the city was fully of Albanian thugs who had sat the conflict out, wearing UCK (KLA to us) uniforms and claiming to have 'liberated' Kosovo. These guys were not the 'thousand yard stare' farmers turned fighters who I met in the woods, hills and villages to inform them the conflict was over.

These thugs then went on a spree of killing and cleansing the area of Serbs in order to gain access to their homes for free. Lots of property disputes at that time, and Serb OAP's being killed or intimidated into leaving (i.e. hand grenade through the living room window when having dinner).

I was disgusted with Blair and the West's complete refusal to reign in these Albanian thugs. The only commander who was doing this was the CO of 3 Para (I won't repeat what he said to his men, but they managed to regain control of the streets of Pristina once these Albanian thugs knew they were up against some real men!)

Anyway. Kosovo is now a 'greater Albania' and is run by organised crime. This will have an effect on us here, as they can now use Kosovo - Albania as the Afghan heroin route into Europe. They tried to do this a few years back by igniting Albanianism in Northern Macedonia - that time T Blair knew he needed to tackle the issue and did so.

Russia will see this (IMHO) as a 'last straw' of an ever weakening West and can quite easily use its foreign reserves or energy to hit the US and West hard. to be honest, I think our governments deserve it. This will ignite a can of worms with regards to Albanian nationalism and nationalism for other areas/people (e.g. Kurdistan to name but one).

Or is this the plan>>>>>!!! Create wars when economies tank. We don't want to go toe to toe with Russia, so small regional wars around the globe is the way of the future.

Anyway. The Kosovar Albanians do not deserve their own state as they have never acted in a manner that deserves it...........and it is part of Serbia.

I'm off to join the pomms in Freemantle and declare it's independance from Australia

Or maybe Dordoigneshire Free State? :-)

In fact I expect France to have split in two by 2050 with the southern half the Islamic Republic of Maghrebistan.

heh heh heh

I thought he was maybe trying to grow a 'tash.

Wasn't sure if he was going for the Mosley or the Führer though.

Thanks

exactly how i feel, i remember all those koso Albanians running coffee shops in good old UK telling me how they want to kill all serbs?

Then go fight for what you believe in. They already have a country called Albania second to UK in pyramid scams and the herion and gun route into Europe, what a mistake recognizing kosovo as a country, but then Milliband looks about 15 and does what condi and uncle George tell him

More than one poster has made this fair point. Back in '99 during the bombing campaign Bird 'n' Fortune ran a sketch with Bird as some supposedly ignorant British general who said at one point: "There's a country called Albania - why don't they [the refugees] go there?" Which indeed is exactly where the greatest number of them did go, for 2-3 months But the point of course was the on-cue studio laughter at that point, giving the tellysheeple to understand that it was a stupid thing to suggest.

However given that many of them (or their parents or grandparents) had indeed migrated there northward in the days of Albanian Stalinism - and no wonder - the proposal doesn't look that far-fetched.

The Serbs are still paying the price of trying to invalid their neighbors: Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia, where every they went there were horrific human rights abuses, they have been spared the total humiliation of occupation, losing Kosovo is not such a high price to pay as it was not an economically active area and at least 90% of the people there were not Serbs.

Serbia is a good example of a country that has experienced economic melt down, despite that there was not mass starvation, although most people had relatives that still worked the land.

Another Islamic colony

In Europe

alongside Belgium, Holland, southern France and parts of the UK, it's a reverse crusade!!!!

Yep - I have my application for an Australian VISA in the pipeline. An insurance policy I think. When I leave that will make room for another 5-6 migrants

The average Kosova is as about as observant of Islam as the average Brit is of the CofE....

Not so. Just before the outbreak of the Kosovo war, I checked the UN refugee statistics (at UNHCR). I was surprised to find that the country RECEIVING the most refugees in the world at the time, was Serbia. They were fleeing from all the provinces around Serbia; Croatia. Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Slovenia. Why, I wondered, were the "Albanian" people in Kosova running to Serbia, and not Albania? Answer is obvious: Albania was, and is, a basket case. It would seem much of the "persecution" of Albanians by Serbs is a Western press invention, try reading this to see how and why: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/mar2000/livm-m25.shtml.

Inidentally, the country who had the most refugees leaving at the time was Afghanistan.

Chomsky was interviewed about the 'humanitarian crisis' in Kosovo back in 1999:

"The technical meaning of humanitarian crisis is a problem somewhere that threatens the interest of rich and powerful people. That is the essence of what makes it a crisis.

Now, any disturbance in the Balkans does threaten the interest of rich and powerful people, namely, the elites of Europe and the US. So when there are humanitarian issues in the Balkans, they become a humanitarian crisis. On the other hand, if people slaughter each other in Sierra Leone or the Congo, it's not a humanitarian crisis.

As a matter of fact, Clinton just refused to provide the relatively puny sum of $100,000 for a peace making force in the Republic of the Congo which might well have averted a huge massacre. But those deaths do not constitute a humanitarian crisis. Neither do the many other deaths and tragedies to which the U.S. directly contributes: the massacres in Colombia, for example, or the slaughters and expulsions of people in southeastern Turkey, which is being carried out with crucial support from Clinton. Those aren't humanitarian crises. But Kosovo is a crisis because it is in the Balkans.

Now the term genocide, as applied to Kosovo is an insult to the victims of Hitler. In fact, it's revisionist to an extreme. If this is genocide, then there is genocide going on all over the world. And Bill Clinton is decisively implementing a lot of it. If this is genocide, then what do you call what is happening in the southeast of Turkey? The number of refugees there is huge, it's already reached about half the level of Palestinians expelled from Palestine.

If it increases further, it may reach the number of refugees in Colombia, where the number of people killed every year by the army and paramilitary groups armed and trained by the United States is approximately the same as the number of people killed in Kosovo last year.

Ethnic cleansing, on the other hand, is real. Unfortunately, it's something that goes on and has been going on for a long time. It's no big innovation. How come I'm living where I am instead of the original people who lived here. Did they happily walk away? {reffering to America} "

The whole situation in the Balkans just now makes me feel very nervous. It seems to me all to possible that any trouble could escalate horribly... Serbia moves to 'defend Serb minority' in Kosovo, KFOR becomes involved, Russian advisors to Serb forces killed... etc etc. History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes, or so they say.

Kosovo needs to be seen in the context of past events in Georgia, the Ukraine etc. The US along with its lackeys in the UK government long term aim is to spread balkanization to Russia so that they can get their dabs on its natural resouces. This was all going swimmingly while the old drunk Yeltsin was in the Kremlin but since Putin turned up this plan has gone tits up. Independence for Kososvo was just another chance to turn the heat up on Russia and its allies. In reality Milliband and Co do not give a toss about either the Albanian or Serbs who live there. They are just pawns in a much bigger game.

I find it hard to villify a whole people like that. During the Belgrade bombing the Serbs were painted by the UK media as right barstewards. Having lived with Serbs in London they never seemed much different than anybody else to me. They told me their side of the story (they were not Milosovic supporters) and it was obvious to me that the bitterness runs deep because they see their heartland, the place of their kings and queens, as having been taken from them by force. There are two sides to any story but the other side was never shown to the UK population. I think, as someone else pointed out, people started to get an idea that the KLA weren't all saints when they tried to have a go in Macedonia. The Serbs I knew thought that US interests were behind all of this. I'm not antiAmerican at all but to me it just looks like US/EU/UN bullying. Afterall they have the most guns.

Who the **** is a Kosova? Do you mean an Albanian or a Serb? So why are they intent on burning down churches and monasteries?

The UCK is an Islamic Terrorist organisation.

That's ethnic hatred rather than a jihad...

Their image was already tainted from their wars of ethnic cleansing in Croatia and Bosnia; if you recall Germany attempted the same and lost a third of its territory ( what was Eastern Germany is really central Germany) but you don't hear the Germans complaining about it as they know they started it..

Bull$hit it's Jihad. You've only got to look at the lengths they go to in tearing down and vandalising medieval Christian imagery and the links with other Islamist groups.

Lets be even handed about it. Both the Croats AND the Bosnian Muslims were also guilty of ethnic cleansing yet they don't face the theft of their territory. Kosovo is as much a part of Serbia as Kent is to England.

As it happens Germany recognises the rights of German refugees to return to the territory stolen by Stalin and anexed to Poland. Theft is theft. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

The Serbs were by far the biggest ethnic cleansers, that would naturally provoke reactions..
Serbia had no chance of holding onto Kosovo without mass deportation.
I think people in the UK will also have to start to worry, with 60% of births in London being to foreign mothers, I can see London wanting to become a city state is a generation..

Having followed the demise of Yugoslavia very closely I’m aware of how easily a developed and sophisticated country can rip itself apart.

Because they had the Federal Army on side. They had the means. When the other sides had the chance they took it just the same. All sides are as guilty as the other IMHO.

An orderly population transfer would have been the right way to deal with the issue other wise it becomes possible to invade an annex a country by migration and demographic increase. Pretty soon you'll see further conflict in Macedonia, Greece and other parts of the Balkans where the UCK can bully their way to power.

Yes I forsee the same problem here in a few decades - the British government have been very shortsighted IMHO. TIME TO STOP MASS IMMIGRATION!

I recall watching C4 news reporting that a 30 mile long military convoy was heading out of Belgrade on its way to Zagreb, the Serbs were showering the troops with flowers and food, the military analysts in the studio all agreed the Serbs would be in Zagreb before the end of the week….. They never got further than Vukovar, a Croat and his land are difficult to part…
I could debate this for hours I think we will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

Look at Northern Ireland, in a few years the Catholics will outnumber the Protestants due to their higher breeding rates, then they can demand a vote on succession and joining the Irish republic, no sane politician is going to stop them…

Looking at the different news reports this issue is really splitting people. This could develop in unexpected ways. Alot of politicians seem to be stressing what they call the 'uniqueness' of the Kosovo issue. Obviously they are aware that they have now set a precedent where a mere province can become independant. With their record of utterly miscalculating the psychotic intensity of the reaction against their Iraq campaign I don't have much faith in the British and American governments decision.