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Was 9 11 an inside job?
QUOTE (Dr Doom @ Feb 13 2008, 12:42 AM) 
Was 9 11 an inside job?
No. This is a really silly thread please delete, it has nothing to do with housing and a lot to do with mental health.
Yeah i'm a crazy mother I am. Care in the community probably not such a good idea after all...
tower 7 was a controlled demolition.
QUOTE (cheesypeas @ Feb 12 2008, 11:48 PM)
No. This is a really silly thread please delete, it has nothing to do with housing and a lot to do with mental health.
Why has it got a lot to do with mental health?
Oh let me guess because someone dares to question what is perceived to be 'truth' they are a heretic. One upon a time we claimed they were witches and burned them at the steak. The only difference now is that we call them 'conspiracy nuts' and claim they have a personality disorder. Not a lot changes really just the mechanism of control has become more sophisticated over time. Oh and who was behind the development of psychiatry and has benefited the most from 9/11. Do i have to spell it out to you?
I have a question for conspiracy fans everywhere.
Background:
Conspiracy website raises interesting (sounding) question, for example tower 7 collapse looks just like a demolition
Non-Conspiracy website: Replies with a full detailed explanation as to why it really doesn't if you just look at it.
The Question:
Why do conspiracy fans keep asking the same questions as though they had never been answered?
Background:
Conspiracy website raises interesting (sounding) question, for example tower 7 collapse looks just like a demolition
Non-Conspiracy website: Replies with a full detailed explanation as to why it really doesn't if you just look at it.
The Question:
Why do conspiracy fans keep asking the same questions as though they had never been answered?
QUOTE (cheesypeas @ Feb 13 2008, 12:08 AM)
Why do conspiracy fans keep asking the same questions as though they had never been answered?
OMG!!! next you are going to be denying that the titanic was sunk by an ice berg LOL!!
I mean STEEL vs ICE!!! I expect that you believe everything the government tell you!!!
Just watch this short video for proof that the NWO are behind these events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI
QUOTE (cheesypeas @ Feb 13 2008, 12:08 AM)
I have a question for conspiracy fans everywhere.
Background:
Conspiracy website raises interesting (sounding) question, for example tower 7 collapse looks just like a demolition
Non-Conspiracy website: Replies with a full detailed explanation as to why it really doesn't if you just look at it.
The Question:
Why do conspiracy fans keep asking the same questions as though they had never been answered?
Background:
Conspiracy website raises interesting (sounding) question, for example tower 7 collapse looks just like a demolition
Non-Conspiracy website: Replies with a full detailed explanation as to why it really doesn't if you just look at it.
The Question:
Why do conspiracy fans keep asking the same questions as though they had never been answered?
There has been no official explanation as to why building 7 collapsed. There is a report due out later this year. The questions have not been answered.
I believe it was an act of terrorism perpetrated by the US government on its own people. Used as a pretext for going to war with Iraq. Sounds very far-fetched I know, but with a little background reading you might change your minds:
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
QUOTE (azazel @ Feb 13 2008, 01:19 AM)
There has been no official explanation as to why building 7 collapsed. There is a report due out later this year. The questions have not been answered.
The questions ( perhaps assertions) that have been raised by conspiracy fans have been answered, why do you need the official version?
QUOTE (cheesypeas @ Feb 13 2008, 01:00 AM)
The questions ( perhaps assertions) that have been raised by conspiracy fans have been answered, why do you need the official version?
Who has answered the questions or assertions? The official version needs to be released so it can be scrutinized to see if it measures up with the evidence.
QUOTE (cheesypeas @ Feb 13 2008, 12:08 AM)
I have a question for conspiracy fans everywhere.
Background:
Conspiracy website raises interesting (sounding) question, for example tower 7 collapse looks just like a demolition
Non-Conspiracy website: Replies with a full detailed explanation as to why it really doesn't if you just look at it.
The Question:
Why do conspiracy fans keep asking the same questions as though they had never been answered?
Background:
Conspiracy website raises interesting (sounding) question, for example tower 7 collapse looks just like a demolition
Non-Conspiracy website: Replies with a full detailed explanation as to why it really doesn't if you just look at it.
The Question:
Why do conspiracy fans keep asking the same questions as though they had never been answered?
Er.... You're right, some have been answered....... classic example of directive question. If you'd been fair and reasonable, you would have said "satisfactorily answered". In which case, they have not.
QUOTE (cheesypeas @ Feb 13 2008, 12:08 AM)
I have a question for conspiracy fans everywhere.
Background:
Conspiracy website raises interesting (sounding) question, for example tower 7 collapse looks just like a demolition
Non-Conspiracy website: Replies with a full detailed explanation as to why it really doesn't if you just look at it.
The Question:
Why do conspiracy fans keep asking the same questions as though they had never been answered?
Background:
Conspiracy website raises interesting (sounding) question, for example tower 7 collapse looks just like a demolition
Non-Conspiracy website: Replies with a full detailed explanation as to why it really doesn't if you just look at it.
The Question:
Why do conspiracy fans keep asking the same questions as though they had never been answered?
Your 'avin a laugh.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck!!!
Well the official story according to good old Auntie Beeb is the building (wtc7) was "weakened"
due to the other building collapses...and they are so efficient they knew this before the building
had even collapsed, but obviously they need to keep their sources confidential...
completely understandable.
I'm so glad my license fee goes towards funding such an efficient trustworthy organisation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejjySUVOGKA
due to the other building collapses...and they are so efficient they knew this before the building
had even collapsed, but obviously they need to keep their sources confidential...
completely understandable.
I'm so glad my license fee goes towards funding such an efficient trustworthy organisation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejjySUVOGKA
QUOTE (enrieb @ Feb 13 2008, 12:17 AM)
OMG!!! next you are going to be denying that the titanic was sunk by an ice berg LOL!!
I mean STEEL vs ICE!!! I expect that you believe everything the government tell you!!!
Just watch this short video for proof that the NWO are behind these events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI
I mean STEEL vs ICE!!! I expect that you believe everything the government tell you!!!
Just watch this short video for proof that the NWO are behind these events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI
Nice video - I'm convinced!
QUOTE (music man @ Feb 13 2008, 02:21 AM)
Your 'avin a laugh.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck!!!
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck!!!
.... then it is a duck!
QUOTE (cheesypeas @ Feb 12 2008, 11:48 PM)
No. This is a really silly thread please delete, it has nothing to do with housing and a lot to do with mental health.
Actually the effects of 9/11 has everything to do with the continued housing boom!
Building do not fall that fast unless bin-laden can change the laws of physics and dictator Bush will and allow questions to be answered and mumbles on about national security but his day will come.
4 out of 4 on one day and then security becomes so good that nothing happens for six years ? get real it was a inside job so that Bush & his thugs in the whitehouse could make a grab for the worlds oil and you can see now that it was not in an effort to protect the public from higher petrol prices.
Elections in the USA ! well the Clintons and the Bush's go back a long way so you can guess whos going to win no matter how they make it all look.
4 out of 4 on one day and then security becomes so good that nothing happens for six years ? get real it was a inside job so that Bush & his thugs in the whitehouse could make a grab for the worlds oil and you can see now that it was not in an effort to protect the public from higher petrol prices.
Elections in the USA ! well the Clintons and the Bush's go back a long way so you can guess whos going to win no matter how they make it all look.
QUOTE (OzzMosiz @ Feb 13 2008, 07:58 AM)
Actually the effects of 9/11 has everything to do with the continued housing boom!
Indeed. Interest rates were reduced around 911, the wars have cost the americans massively, it has caused oil prices to rocket causing higher inflation. You cant possibly deny that it has had no effect on the housing boom and coming crash in the worlds economies. This thread needs to be restored back to the main forum, not silenced by the thought police!
Personally I'm undecided as to whether the U.S Government was somehow involved in the 9-11 attacks.
I'm cynical enough to believe that government agencies might allow a terrorist attack to hapen if it furthers a 'higher cause'.
Take the invasion of Iraq for example, I believe the ulterior motive for the invasion was to safeguard the U.S Dollar as the reserve currency for oil transactions.
The 9-11 attack sure helped the cause, allowing the U.S/British Governments to use fear of 'mushroom clouds' to take out Saddam who brought about his own downfall when he started trading oil for Euros, breaking the dollar monopoly on oil transactions.
I'd be interested it any conspiracy theorists could provide solid evidence of government lies in regards to events as they happened on 9-11, for example any inconsistencies in the 9-11 commission report.
I'm cynical enough to believe that government agencies might allow a terrorist attack to hapen if it furthers a 'higher cause'.
Take the invasion of Iraq for example, I believe the ulterior motive for the invasion was to safeguard the U.S Dollar as the reserve currency for oil transactions.
The 9-11 attack sure helped the cause, allowing the U.S/British Governments to use fear of 'mushroom clouds' to take out Saddam who brought about his own downfall when he started trading oil for Euros, breaking the dollar monopoly on oil transactions.
I'd be interested it any conspiracy theorists could provide solid evidence of government lies in regards to events as they happened on 9-11, for example any inconsistencies in the 9-11 commission report.
QUOTE (Dr Doom @ Feb 12 2008, 11:49 PM)
Yeah i'm a crazy mother I am. Care in the community probably not such a good idea after all...
Ain't that the truth.
I've seen several care in the community cases in the local supermarket.
Always best to keep a close eye on them, just in case the mental health services have made a mistake................................
QUOTE (cheesypeas @ Feb 12 2008, 01:00 PM)
The questions ( perhaps assertions) that have been raised by conspiracy fans have been answered, why do you need the official version?
this is absolutly not true- do some research and you will find out-
QUOTE (Setantii @ Feb 14 2008, 01:02 PM)
I'd be interested it any conspiracy theorists could provide solid evidence of government lies in regards to events as they happened on 9-11, for example any inconsistencies in the 9-11 commission report.
This book does an excellent demolition job on the 9/11 Commission Report:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/11-Commission-Repo...6779&sr=1-2
Also, for anyone who believes the stuff in Popular Mechanics, read this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Debunking-11-Mecha...6779&sr=1-1
Be prepared for a little cognitive dissonance as you progress in your research.
Great. Another nut-job 9/11 conspiracy thread. 
in my opinion this should not be in the off topic forum as it is quite relevent to house prices- the world was heading for a crash- then 911 conveniently happens - within a short time interest rates are lowered and hey presto- the reccesion is averted (actually postponed) and a housing boom is created
ad hominem
QUOTE (SpewLabour @ Feb 14 2008, 01:54 AM)
Great. Another nut-job 9/11 conspiracy thread.
Was 9/11 an inside job? What an outrageous suggestion! Everyone knows that 9/11 was perpetrated by nineteen young Arabs. We know that this is true because it was reported on TV within a very short space of time, and then repeated lots more times until we all knew without doubt that it was really and absolutely true.
What is not fully acknowledged however is that these were young men were of unsurpassed (though obviously evil) genius. Let us look at just a few of their many truly amazing achievements so that we can appreciate better the overwhelming and irresistible force that the US was up against on that tragic day.
They all managed to board their respective aircraft without any of their names appearing on the passenger lists. Now that takes some doing – try it yourself.
They caused mass hallucinations among police officers, firefighters, janitors, TV reporters and many other eye witnesses who all swore that there were huge explosions within WTC1 and WTC2 before the aircraft struck. They even managed to induce fake seismic shocks corresponding to these fake explosions which were recorded, just as though they were real, at a nearby university laboratory. This elaborate disinformation ruse, making the attack look so much like an inside job, is truly diabolical.
One of them even managed to throw his passport out of the plane so that it could be found on the sidewalk near the WTC. That is one impressive trick - done presumably because he wished to be remembered as a hero. What a cunning ploy.
They had an uncanny ability to control the amount of damage that each aircraft inflicted. The two that hit WTC1 and WTC2 caused, within an hour or so, the complete collapse and pulverisation into fine dust of those immense structures. This required at least ten times as much energy as that available from the aircraft, the fuel and the potential energy of the tall buildings combined. To this day no-one knows how they produced that enormous amount of extra energy and directed it so precisely.
In contrast, the plane that hit the Pentagon didn’t cause nearly as much damage. Apparently its wings and engines folded on impact and went through the same hole in the wall as the fuselage. And then the whole plane disappeared leaving hardly any aircraft debris. Imagine that! These guys were better than David Copperfield.
Later that day, although dead, they were able to cause WTC7 to imitate a controlled demolition so accurately that demolition experts could not tell the difference; and they did this without even flying a plane into it. They also fooled the BBC and CNN into reporting this collapse before it actually happened. What astounding cheek.
Then, at least 6 of them were able to bring themselves back to life in their countries of origin during the weeks following their suicide flights. Now this is a truly miraculous ability that previously we had not seen for a very long time.
Their many other super-human abilities are far too numerous to list here, but are described on various websites. For example, how did they convince poor Norman Mineta to tell those wicked lies about Dick Cheney’s whereabouts and utterances on that fateful morning? Luckily the incisive and unbiased 9/11 Commission immediately saw through Norman’s mendacity and completely ignored his testimony.
So, in President Bush’s own words, let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories. There is one and only one conspiracy theory that rings true – the official story that nineteen young Arabs plus a bloke in a cave in Afghanistan conspired to do it.
Anyone who thinks otherwise, even fleetingly, is clearly totally insane and should undergo prolonged treatment at the Guantanamo Bay psychiatric facility.
What is not fully acknowledged however is that these were young men were of unsurpassed (though obviously evil) genius. Let us look at just a few of their many truly amazing achievements so that we can appreciate better the overwhelming and irresistible force that the US was up against on that tragic day.
They all managed to board their respective aircraft without any of their names appearing on the passenger lists. Now that takes some doing – try it yourself.
They caused mass hallucinations among police officers, firefighters, janitors, TV reporters and many other eye witnesses who all swore that there were huge explosions within WTC1 and WTC2 before the aircraft struck. They even managed to induce fake seismic shocks corresponding to these fake explosions which were recorded, just as though they were real, at a nearby university laboratory. This elaborate disinformation ruse, making the attack look so much like an inside job, is truly diabolical.
One of them even managed to throw his passport out of the plane so that it could be found on the sidewalk near the WTC. That is one impressive trick - done presumably because he wished to be remembered as a hero. What a cunning ploy.
They had an uncanny ability to control the amount of damage that each aircraft inflicted. The two that hit WTC1 and WTC2 caused, within an hour or so, the complete collapse and pulverisation into fine dust of those immense structures. This required at least ten times as much energy as that available from the aircraft, the fuel and the potential energy of the tall buildings combined. To this day no-one knows how they produced that enormous amount of extra energy and directed it so precisely.
In contrast, the plane that hit the Pentagon didn’t cause nearly as much damage. Apparently its wings and engines folded on impact and went through the same hole in the wall as the fuselage. And then the whole plane disappeared leaving hardly any aircraft debris. Imagine that! These guys were better than David Copperfield.
Later that day, although dead, they were able to cause WTC7 to imitate a controlled demolition so accurately that demolition experts could not tell the difference; and they did this without even flying a plane into it. They also fooled the BBC and CNN into reporting this collapse before it actually happened. What astounding cheek.
Then, at least 6 of them were able to bring themselves back to life in their countries of origin during the weeks following their suicide flights. Now this is a truly miraculous ability that previously we had not seen for a very long time.
Their many other super-human abilities are far too numerous to list here, but are described on various websites. For example, how did they convince poor Norman Mineta to tell those wicked lies about Dick Cheney’s whereabouts and utterances on that fateful morning? Luckily the incisive and unbiased 9/11 Commission immediately saw through Norman’s mendacity and completely ignored his testimony.
So, in President Bush’s own words, let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories. There is one and only one conspiracy theory that rings true – the official story that nineteen young Arabs plus a bloke in a cave in Afghanistan conspired to do it.
Anyone who thinks otherwise, even fleetingly, is clearly totally insane and should undergo prolonged treatment at the Guantanamo Bay psychiatric facility.
QUOTE (The Spaniard @ Feb 14 2008, 05:33 PM)
Was 9/11 an inside job? What an outrageous suggestion! Everyone knows that 9/11 was perpetrated by nineteen young Arabs. We know that this is true because it was reported on TV within a very short space of time, and then repeated lots more times until we all knew without doubt that it was really and absolutely true.
What is not fully acknowledged however is that these were young men were of unsurpassed (though obviously evil) genius. Let us look at just a few of their many truly amazing achievements so that we can appreciate better the overwhelming and irresistible force that the US was up against on that tragic day.
They all managed to board their respective aircraft without any of their names appearing on the passenger lists. Now that takes some doing – try it yourself. PROOF
They caused mass hallucinations among police officers, firefighters, janitors, TV reporters and many other eye witnesses who all swore that there were huge explosions within WTC1 and WTC2 before the aircraft struck. They even managed to induce fake seismic shocks corresponding to these fake explosions which were recorded, just as though they were real, at a nearby university laboratory. This elaborate disinformation ruse, making the attack look so much like an inside job, is truly diabolical. PROOF
One of them even managed to throw his passport out of the plane so that it could be found on the sidewalk near the WTC. That is one impressive trick - done presumably because he wished to be remembered as a hero. What a cunning ploy. PROOF
They had an uncanny ability to control the amount of damage that each aircraft inflicted. The two that hit WTC1 and WTC2 caused, within an hour or so, the complete collapse and pulverisation into fine dust of those immense structures. This required at least ten times as much energy as that available from the aircraft, the fuel and the potential energy of the tall buildings combined. To this day no-one knows how they produced that enormous amount of extra energy and directed it so precisely. PROOF
In contrast, the plane that hit the Pentagon didn’t cause nearly as much damage. Apparently its wings and engines folded on impact and went through the same hole in the wall as the fuselage. And then the whole plane disappeared leaving hardly any aircraft debris. Imagine that! These guys were better than David Copperfield. PROOF
Later that day, although dead, they were able to cause WTC7 to imitate a controlled demolition so accurately that demolition experts could not tell the difference; and they did this without even flying a plane into it. They also fooled the BBC and CNN into reporting this collapse before it actually happened. What astounding cheek.
Then, at least 6 of them were able to bring themselves back to life in their countries of origin during the weeks following their suicide flights. Now this is a truly miraculous ability that previously we had not seen for a very long time. PROOF
Their many other super-human abilities are far too numerous to list here, but are described on various websites. For example, how did they convince poor Norman Mineta to tell those wicked lies about Dick Cheney’s whereabouts and utterances on that fateful morning? Luckily the incisive and unbiased 9/11 Commission immediately saw through Norman’s mendacity and completely ignored his testimony.
So, in President Bush’s own words, let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories. There is one and only one conspiracy theory that rings true – the official story that nineteen young Arabs plus a bloke in a cave in Afghanistan conspired to do it.
Anyone who thinks otherwise, even fleetingly, is clearly totally insane and should undergo prolonged treatment at the Guantanamo Bay psychiatric facility.
What is not fully acknowledged however is that these were young men were of unsurpassed (though obviously evil) genius. Let us look at just a few of their many truly amazing achievements so that we can appreciate better the overwhelming and irresistible force that the US was up against on that tragic day.
They all managed to board their respective aircraft without any of their names appearing on the passenger lists. Now that takes some doing – try it yourself. PROOF
They caused mass hallucinations among police officers, firefighters, janitors, TV reporters and many other eye witnesses who all swore that there were huge explosions within WTC1 and WTC2 before the aircraft struck. They even managed to induce fake seismic shocks corresponding to these fake explosions which were recorded, just as though they were real, at a nearby university laboratory. This elaborate disinformation ruse, making the attack look so much like an inside job, is truly diabolical. PROOF
One of them even managed to throw his passport out of the plane so that it could be found on the sidewalk near the WTC. That is one impressive trick - done presumably because he wished to be remembered as a hero. What a cunning ploy. PROOF
They had an uncanny ability to control the amount of damage that each aircraft inflicted. The two that hit WTC1 and WTC2 caused, within an hour or so, the complete collapse and pulverisation into fine dust of those immense structures. This required at least ten times as much energy as that available from the aircraft, the fuel and the potential energy of the tall buildings combined. To this day no-one knows how they produced that enormous amount of extra energy and directed it so precisely. PROOF
In contrast, the plane that hit the Pentagon didn’t cause nearly as much damage. Apparently its wings and engines folded on impact and went through the same hole in the wall as the fuselage. And then the whole plane disappeared leaving hardly any aircraft debris. Imagine that! These guys were better than David Copperfield. PROOF
Later that day, although dead, they were able to cause WTC7 to imitate a controlled demolition so accurately that demolition experts could not tell the difference; and they did this without even flying a plane into it. They also fooled the BBC and CNN into reporting this collapse before it actually happened. What astounding cheek.
Then, at least 6 of them were able to bring themselves back to life in their countries of origin during the weeks following their suicide flights. Now this is a truly miraculous ability that previously we had not seen for a very long time. PROOF
Their many other super-human abilities are far too numerous to list here, but are described on various websites. For example, how did they convince poor Norman Mineta to tell those wicked lies about Dick Cheney’s whereabouts and utterances on that fateful morning? Luckily the incisive and unbiased 9/11 Commission immediately saw through Norman’s mendacity and completely ignored his testimony.
So, in President Bush’s own words, let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories. There is one and only one conspiracy theory that rings true – the official story that nineteen young Arabs plus a bloke in a cave in Afghanistan conspired to do it.
Anyone who thinks otherwise, even fleetingly, is clearly totally insane and should undergo prolonged treatment at the Guantanamo Bay psychiatric facility.
Jeez I can smell Bovine Excrement.
How about proof that...
The Terrorists were not on the passenger manifest. (I don't want to see a list of the Victims - clearly the terrorists would not be on that)
The bangs heard were actually explosions and in no way linked to the Jet impacts. (Can you prove they were explosives and not lifts falling from great heights, electrical explosions, petrol/diesel from vehicles on fire in the basement etc)
That the terrorist "threw his passport" out of the plane with sealed windows and doors. (Yes a passport was found but then so were loads of other things.)
That the towers were "pullverised" to a fine dust. (if this was the case why were they cutting steel and breaking huge slabs of concrete for months when a dustbuster would have sufficed!)
That six of those named by the FBI are still alive. (Not other people with the same name but those terrorists named and photographed.)
etc etc
QUOTE (The Hooded C law @ Feb 14 2008, 05:48 PM)
Jeez I can smell Bovine Excrement.
How about proof that...
The Terrorists were not on the passenger manifest. (I don't want to see a list of the Victims - clearly the terrorists would not be on that)
The bangs heard were actually explosions and in no way linked to the Jet impacts. (Can you prove they were explosives and not lifts falling from great heights, electrical explosions, petrol/diesel from vehicles on fire in the basement etc)
That the terrorist "threw his passport" out of the plane with sealed windows and doors. (Yes a passport was found but then so were loads of other things.)
That the towers were "pullverised" to a fine dust. (if this was the case why were they cutting steel and breaking huge slabs of concrete for months when a dustbuster would have sufficed!)
That six of those named by the FBI are still alive. (Not other people with the same name but those terrorists named and photographed.)
etc etc
How about proof that...
The Terrorists were not on the passenger manifest. (I don't want to see a list of the Victims - clearly the terrorists would not be on that)
The bangs heard were actually explosions and in no way linked to the Jet impacts. (Can you prove they were explosives and not lifts falling from great heights, electrical explosions, petrol/diesel from vehicles on fire in the basement etc)
That the terrorist "threw his passport" out of the plane with sealed windows and doors. (Yes a passport was found but then so were loads of other things.)
That the towers were "pullverised" to a fine dust. (if this was the case why were they cutting steel and breaking huge slabs of concrete for months when a dustbuster would have sufficed!)
That six of those named by the FBI are still alive. (Not other people with the same name but those terrorists named and photographed.)
etc etc
There are now many well-researched websites pressing for an independent and thorough investigation of the horrific events of 9/11. Anyone who is seriously interested and prepared to put in the necessary effort can do his or her own research.
So, with the simple hope that you might become motivated to investigate, here are just a few of the many available links that answer some of your PROOF demands:
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%2...still_alive.htm
http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/seismi...s-an-inside-job
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analy...ons/debris.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/eyewitnesses.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/volumev3.html
I make no claim to know what really happened on 9/11. What I will say however that the official conspiracy narrative is a very weak candidate theory when viewed from a critical Popperian perspective.
BTW, the passport “throwing” line was intended to be satirical rather than strictly factual. Clearly I need to work on my literary skills.
>>>>>The bangs heard were actually explosions and in no way linked to the Jet impacts. (Can you prove they were explosives and not lifts falling from great heights, electrical explosions, petrol/diesel from vehicles on fire in the basement etc)<<<<<
How did vehicles catch fire in the basements then? The planes hit the buildings high up. You are right though, there were many reports of explosions in the basements and also video evidence of of serious damage to the ground floor main entrance areas, where the fireman had made their control centers.
Its tricky to prove that explosives were used when the crime scene was cleared away so quickly but ask your self, why were there hot spots in the rubble that were much hotter than jet fuel burns at? Its as logical as saying that the water in three kettles of boiling water is 300 degrees centigrade. Scientific analysis has shown that explosive residue droplets were present amongst the debris. How do you expect justice when those guilty of the crime are responsible for the investigations?
They are looking for gullible people who believe and do what they are told to participate in the third world war.
How did vehicles catch fire in the basements then? The planes hit the buildings high up. You are right though, there were many reports of explosions in the basements and also video evidence of of serious damage to the ground floor main entrance areas, where the fireman had made their control centers.
Its tricky to prove that explosives were used when the crime scene was cleared away so quickly but ask your self, why were there hot spots in the rubble that were much hotter than jet fuel burns at? Its as logical as saying that the water in three kettles of boiling water is 300 degrees centigrade. Scientific analysis has shown that explosive residue droplets were present amongst the debris. How do you expect justice when those guilty of the crime are responsible for the investigations?
They are looking for gullible people who believe and do what they are told to participate in the third world war.
what in your book would constitute proof ?
QUOTE (The Hooded C law @ Feb 14 2008, 06:48 AM)
Jeez I can smell Bovine Excrement.
How about proof that...
The Terrorists were not on the passenger manifest. (I don't want to see a list of the Victims - clearly the terrorists would not be on that)
The bangs heard were actually explosions and in no way linked to the Jet impacts. (Can you prove they were explosives and not lifts falling from great heights, electrical explosions, petrol/diesel from vehicles on fire in the basement etc)
That the terrorist "threw his passport" out of the plane with sealed windows and doors. (Yes a passport was found but then so were loads of other things.)
That the towers were "pullverised" to a fine dust. (if this was the case why were they cutting steel and breaking huge slabs of concrete for months when a dustbuster would have sufficed!)
That six of those named by the FBI are still alive. (Not other people with the same name but those terrorists named and photographed.)
etc etc
How about proof that...
The Terrorists were not on the passenger manifest. (I don't want to see a list of the Victims - clearly the terrorists would not be on that)
The bangs heard were actually explosions and in no way linked to the Jet impacts. (Can you prove they were explosives and not lifts falling from great heights, electrical explosions, petrol/diesel from vehicles on fire in the basement etc)
That the terrorist "threw his passport" out of the plane with sealed windows and doors. (Yes a passport was found but then so were loads of other things.)
That the towers were "pullverised" to a fine dust. (if this was the case why were they cutting steel and breaking huge slabs of concrete for months when a dustbuster would have sufficed!)
That six of those named by the FBI are still alive. (Not other people with the same name but those terrorists named and photographed.)
etc etc
QUOTE (nevajism @ Feb 14 2008, 01:59 PM)
ad hominem
No - just the truth. There have been countless threads / postings / websites all claiming the same thing and there are countless threads / postings / websites explaining the facts.
If you want to get worked up about something, how about Lockerbie ? There are so many factors that point to al-Megrahi being the fall guy, but you don't hear a peep out of people on this one......
QUOTE (RajD @ Feb 13 2008, 12:52 AM)
I believe it was an act of terrorism perpetrated by the US government on its own people. Used as a pretext for going to war with Iraq. Sounds very far-fetched I know, but with a little background reading you might change your minds:
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
Are you one of those muslim fellers?
I'm sure there'd be stronger rumours circulating if they did it to themselves
Maybe they are not revealing all the facts such as certain incompetencies
QUOTE (Justice @ Feb 13 2008, 09:00 AM)
Building do not fall that fast unless bin-laden can change the laws of physics and dictator Bush will and allow questions to be answered and mumbles on about national security but his day will come.
4 out of 4 on one day and then security becomes so good that nothing happens for six years ? get real it was a inside job so that Bush & his thugs in the whitehouse could make a grab for the worlds oil and you can see now that it was not in an effort to protect the public from higher petrol prices.
Elections in the USA ! well the Clintons and the Bush's go back a long way so you can guess whos going to win no matter how they make it all look.
4 out of 4 on one day and then security becomes so good that nothing happens for six years ? get real it was a inside job so that Bush & his thugs in the whitehouse could make a grab for the worlds oil and you can see now that it was not in an effort to protect the public from higher petrol prices.
Elections in the USA ! well the Clintons and the Bush's go back a long way so you can guess whos going to win no matter how they make it all look.
Please refer to post no2
I expect the normal rules of physics would easily suffice when you have planes full of fuel (ie. flying bombs) combined with good-old gravity! (which does not need to be modified as it's a downward force) Please refer to post no2
How often should such events be expected to happen in your opinion?
Oh and if I forgot to mention please refer to post no2
QUOTE (peepers @ Feb 16 2008, 12:07 AM)
Please refer to post no2
I expect the normal rules of physics would easily suffice when you have planes full of fuel (ie. flying bombs) combined with good-old gravity! (which does not need to be modified as it's a downward force) Please refer to post no2
How often should such events be expected to happen in your opinion?
Oh and if I forgot to mention please refer to post no2
I expect the normal rules of physics would easily suffice when you have planes full of fuel (ie. flying bombs) combined with good-old gravity! (which does not need to be modified as it's a downward force) Please refer to post no2
How often should such events be expected to happen in your opinion?
Oh and if I forgot to mention please refer to post no2
QUOTE (peepers @ Feb 16 2008, 12:07 AM)
Please refer to post no2
I expect the normal rules of physics would easily suffice when you have planes full of fuel (ie. flying bombs) combined with good-old gravity! (which does not need to be modified as it's a downward force) Please refer to post no2
How often should such events be expected to happen in your opinion?
Oh and if I forgot to mention please refer to post no2
I expect the normal rules of physics would easily suffice when you have planes full of fuel (ie. flying bombs) combined with good-old gravity! (which does not need to be modified as it's a downward force) Please refer to post no2
How often should such events be expected to happen in your opinion?
Oh and if I forgot to mention please refer to post no2
Your head is emptier than an hermits address book
QUOTE (SpewLabour @ Feb 15 2008, 12:36 PM)
No - just the truth. There have been countless threads / postings / websites all claiming the same thing and there are countless threads / postings / websites explaining the facts.
If you want to get worked up about something, how about Lockerbie ? There are so many factors that point to al-Megrahi being the fall guy, but you don't hear a peep out of people on this one......
If you want to get worked up about something, how about Lockerbie ? There are so many factors that point to al-Megrahi being the fall guy, but you don't hear a peep out of people on this one......
I'm sure you are right about Lockerbie. 911 is far more significant as America has invaded two country's on the back of it and threatens preemptive action using 911 as an excuse. Iran may be attacked because of developing nukes that could be used in a "terrorist" attack when the real reason may well be that they are not selling oil in US$. Remember you are either with us or with the terrorists, so said Bush.
QUOTE (peepers @ Feb 15 2008, 11:43 PM)
Are you one of those muslim fellers?
I'm sure there'd be stronger rumours circulating if they did it to themselves
Maybe they are not revealing all the facts such as certain incompetencies
I'm sure there'd be stronger rumours circulating if they did it to themselves
Maybe they are not revealing all the facts such as certain incompetencies
No, I'm not one of 'those muslim fellers' as you so intelligently and tactfully enquired. I am of Indian origin but consider myself to be British. Not sure how strong you would like the rumors to be before you sit up and take them seriously. There have been plenty of books written on the subject, many websites devoted to it and numerous films based on the possibility of a gvt conspiracy - one called 'Loose Change' that was released very recently that spends over two hours debunking the official 9/11 story in great detail.
QUOTE (The Hooded C law @ Feb 14 2008, 05:48 PM)
Jeez I can smell Bovine Excrement.
How about proof that...
The Terrorists were not on the passenger manifest. (I don't want to see a list of the Victims - clearly the terrorists would not be on that)
The bangs heard were actually explosions and in no way linked to the Jet impacts. (Can you prove they were explosives and not lifts falling from great heights, electrical explosions, petrol/diesel from vehicles on fire in the basement etc)
That the terrorist "threw his passport" out of the plane with sealed windows and doors. (Yes a passport was found but then so were loads of other things.)
That the towers were "pullverised" to a fine dust. (if this was the case why were they cutting steel and breaking huge slabs of concrete for months when a dustbuster would have sufficed!)
That six of those named by the FBI are still alive. (Not other people with the same name but those terrorists named and photographed.)
etc etc
How about proof that...
The Terrorists were not on the passenger manifest. (I don't want to see a list of the Victims - clearly the terrorists would not be on that)
The bangs heard were actually explosions and in no way linked to the Jet impacts. (Can you prove they were explosives and not lifts falling from great heights, electrical explosions, petrol/diesel from vehicles on fire in the basement etc)
That the terrorist "threw his passport" out of the plane with sealed windows and doors. (Yes a passport was found but then so were loads of other things.)
That the towers were "pullverised" to a fine dust. (if this was the case why were they cutting steel and breaking huge slabs of concrete for months when a dustbuster would have sufficed!)
That six of those named by the FBI are still alive. (Not other people with the same name but those terrorists named and photographed.)
etc etc
I personally believe the bangs heard were perhaps jumpers who, upon hitting the ground, just exploded - I remember a witness suggesting the sound they made will be with them for the rest of their life. I guess if you were witness to this event it would be preferable to deny where the explosions really came from and convince yourself they were in fact of another / questionable origin.
Also as a side note there was a fantastic article in another forum on the pentagon crash, which clearly showed wing damage and dismissed every bit of conspiratorial evidence but I can no longer find it... It stills shows that the conspiracists still show the internal wall damage (nose punch out) and label this as the point of impact - very annoying!
However, I am certain at the very least this could have been stopped, and that the US had too much to gain from this event...
QUOTE (ollk @ Feb 16 2008, 05:27 PM)
I personally believe the bangs heard were perhaps jumpers who, upon hitting the ground, just exploded
Is that how all the windows in the foyer were blown out and marble cladding the core was also blown off- by jumpers "exploding upon impact with the ground? I guess its more feasible than the official version.
QUOTE (RajD @ Feb 16 2008, 04:13 PM)
No, I'm not one of 'those muslim fellers' as you so intelligently and tactfully enquired. I am of Indian origin but consider myself to be British. Not sure how strong you would like the rumors to be before you sit up and take them seriously. There have been plenty of books written on the subject, many websites devoted to it and numerous films based on the possibility of a gvt conspiracy - one called 'Loose Change' that was released very recently that spends over two hours debunking the official 9/11 story in great detail.
Just thought I'd ask using american cowboy type lingo (for a bit of a laugh) rather than just assume
But what's so intelligent and tactful about believing conspiracy theories and spreading rumours?
Though I would agree the US want to have some control in the middle east because of that 3 letter word.. Oil
Maybe there was also incompetence and not all the truth was told
But why would the US hit this particular target on their own soil which would then cause so much damage to the economies of the west including their own? - It just makes no sense
QUOTE (fiddlethefigures @ Feb 16 2008, 10:48 AM)
Your head is emptier than an hermits address book
My argument:
Massive bombs hit 2 tall buildings causing infernos hot enough to rupture steel supports and the buildings then collapse downwards due to normal gravity
Your argument: Don't have one
QUOTE (peepers @ Feb 17 2008, 04:24 PM)
But why would the US hit this particular target on their own soil which would then cause so much damage to the economies of the west including their own? - It just makes no sense
Without wishing to get into the pros/cons of whether it was an inside job etc., one possible reason as to why (theoretically) the U.S. might attack their own soil is that perhaps they wanted to stage a "Reichstag fire" of their own. After all, it worked in 1933.
If this were truly an inside job, a great way to cover it up would be to seed many conspiracy theories across the internet, making belief in a staged 9/11 attack equal to being a conspiracist nut-job. So that those trying to give (in their view) an accurate account of the event might inadvertently end up working against their own cause.
QUOTE (peepers @ Feb 17 2008, 04:30 PM)
My argument:
Massive bombs hit 2 tall buildings causing infernos hot enough to rupture steel supports and the buildings then collapse downwards due to normal gravity
Your argument: Don't have one
Massive bombs hit 2 tall buildings causing infernos hot enough to rupture steel supports and the buildings then collapse downwards due to normal gravity
Your argument: Don't have one
Explain building 7 collapse then. It was not hit by a "massive bomb". In fact this building 7 was build with extra strength so it could be modified to customers requirements. It was also conveniently modified to accommodate the office of emergency management in the event of a terrorist attack or war and known as Gullianis bunker. Your arguments are weak because you have accepted the simplistic official theory. If you research the subject you will find that there were not infernos hot enough to explain the collapse and you would no doubt see that it was an inside job. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
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and known as Gullianis bunker.
And about as effective as the radios he supplied to the firemen.
Link
QUOTE (azazel @ Feb 17 2008, 05:25 PM)
Explain building 7 collapse then. It was not hit by a "massive bomb". In fact this building 7 was build with extra strength so it could be modified to customers requirements. It was also conveniently modified to accommodate the office of emergency management in the event of a terrorist attack or war and known as Gullianis bunker. Your arguments are weak because you have accepted the simplistic official theory. If you research the subject you will find that there were not infernos hot enough to explain the collapse and you would no doubt see that it was an inside job. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
QUOTE (Justice @ Feb 13 2008, 09:00 AM)
Building do not fall that fast unless bin-laden can change the laws of physics
My response was to the comment above which IMO is a real example of a blatantly stupid falsehood
So it's really not my job to need to explain the 'building 7' collapse
However I have seen the conspiracy theory on 'building 7' debunked on TV and if I find the info may post it
Note that it does not follow that just because there are some things which you feel don't quite fit that it means the US bombed it's own buildings (Though I guess it's just conceivable that an individual or small group of individuals could have 'turned a blind eye' and allowed certain things to unfold - but we don't know that and it seems more like it was thru incompetence)
We do know there are terrorists who wanted to hit the USA and there are terrorist training camps and extremist muslim teachers were active in the UK for example. Of course these young religious people are open to religious indoctrination
Obviously US foreign policy is not too sound so I'm not surprised these terrorists exist when so many innocent people have been killed by US bombs in middle eastern countries
We have also had the madrid, london and other bombings around the world. Of course the terrorists alienate all normal moderate people when they carry out these atrocities. They dont care about the nationality or religion of their victims in these type of indiscriminate attacks which only serve to damage their cause in the eyes of the majority of the rest of the world
Maybe they are starting to realise that - I think it's a reasonable assumption that now the US soldiers are in Iraq they are concentrating their efforts in that area
IMO we should be remembering the victims and people involved in those atrocities and praise those heroic firemen
Anyone who bombs innocent people (especially if it's done knowingly) are literally the scum of the earth!
QUOTE (peepers @ Feb 17 2008, 04:30 PM)
My argument:
Massive bombs hit 2 tall buildings causing infernos hot enough to rupture steel supports and the buildings then collapse downwards due to normal gravity
Your argument: Don't have one
Massive bombs hit 2 tall buildings causing infernos hot enough to rupture steel supports and the buildings then collapse downwards due to normal gravity
Your argument: Don't have one
I have argued for some time on various threads about 911 but now i just let people come to their own conclusions, one of the conclusions i arrived at is there are people in this world who have indeed empty heads hence being slavery material.
I came across this documentary on how the television networks manipulated the images of 911for those who are interested in the subject.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...h&plindex=0
QUOTE (peepers @ Feb 17 2008, 06:15 PM)
My response was to the comment above which IMO is a real example of a blatantly stupid falsehood
So it's really not my job to need to explain the 'building 7' collapse
However I have seen the conspiracy theory on 'building 7' debunked on TV and if I find the info may post it
Note that it does not follow that just because there are some things which you feel don't quite fit that it means the US bombed it's own buildings (Though I guess it's just conceivable that an individual or small group of individuals could have 'turned a blind eye' and allowed certain things to unfold - but we don't know that and it seems more like it was thru incompetence)
We do know there are terrorists who wanted to hit the USA and there are terrorist training camps and extremist muslim teachers were active in the UK for example. Of course these young religious people are open to religious indoctrination
Obviously US foreign policy is not too sound so I'm not surprised these terrorists exist when so many innocent people have been killed by US bombs in middle eastern countries
We have also had the madrid, london and other bombings around the world. Of course the terrorists alienate all normal moderate people when they carry out these atrocities. They dont care about the nationality or religion of their victims in these type of indiscriminate attacks which only serve to damage their cause in the eyes of the majority of the rest of the world
Maybe they are starting to realise that - I think it's a reasonable assumption that now the US soldiers are in Iraq they are concentrating their efforts in that area
IMO we should be remembering the victims and people involved in those atrocities and praise those heroic firemen
Anyone who bombs innocent people (especially if it's done knowingly) are literally the scum of the earth!
So it's really not my job to need to explain the 'building 7' collapse
However I have seen the conspiracy theory on 'building 7' debunked on TV and if I find the info may post it
Note that it does not follow that just because there are some things which you feel don't quite fit that it means the US bombed it's own buildings (Though I guess it's just conceivable that an individual or small group of individuals could have 'turned a blind eye' and allowed certain things to unfold - but we don't know that and it seems more like it was thru incompetence)
We do know there are terrorists who wanted to hit the USA and there are terrorist training camps and extremist muslim teachers were active in the UK for example. Of course these young religious people are open to religious indoctrination
Obviously US foreign policy is not too sound so I'm not surprised these terrorists exist when so many innocent people have been killed by US bombs in middle eastern countries
We have also had the madrid, london and other bombings around the world. Of course the terrorists alienate all normal moderate people when they carry out these atrocities. They dont care about the nationality or religion of their victims in these type of indiscriminate attacks which only serve to damage their cause in the eyes of the majority of the rest of the world
Maybe they are starting to realise that - I think it's a reasonable assumption that now the US soldiers are in Iraq they are concentrating their efforts in that area
IMO we should be remembering the victims and people involved in those atrocities and praise those heroic firemen
Anyone who bombs innocent people (especially if it's done knowingly) are literally the scum of the earth!
You are naive is the best compliment I can come up with for your literate piece which you constructed beautifuly
QUOTE (azazel @ Feb 16 2008, 09:00 PM)
Is that how all the windows in the foyer were blown out and marble cladding the core was also blown off- by jumpers "exploding upon impact with the ground? I guess its more feasible than the official version.
But cladding that has no bearing on structural integrity? I think any bombs going off in the lower parts of the building would have had a much more profound effect, if they were to have had any effect in weakening the structure?!
Also, doesn't early footage of the initial damage pretty much demonstrate the fact the marble was blown off from around the time of the initial impact (and I am not going into whether this is possible or not but I could see this as being a likely scenario - shock wave travels down building and the energy has to go somewhere when it gets to the bottom so bits of marble and glass take some of this energy?).
Also I remember a witness suggesting the sound of the bodies hitting the ground sounded like bombs going off... Therefore, until something more solid comes up I think this is more likely an explanation than bombs.
In my opinion there really is something to investigate, there is one f8cking mother of a conspiracy somewhere I am sure, but I don't think the suggestion of bombs is really all that helpful in seeking the truth of what really happened that day.
>>>>But cladding that has no bearing on structural integrity<<<< The damage to the foyer suggests explosives in the lower part of the building. You think that was greenhouse glass in the floor level windows?
Its not worth all the effort to try and argue the case as there are many sites dedicated to the subject and I have spent years learning about it and frankly, cant be ar5ed. I'm sure that the ppl who believe the official accounts will make fine foot soldiers in the coming wars, "serving" their country and supporting their noble rulers. Good luck to you!
Im glad to see that 70% of the vote do not believe the official account.
Its not worth all the effort to try and argue the case as there are many sites dedicated to the subject and I have spent years learning about it and frankly, cant be ar5ed. I'm sure that the ppl who believe the official accounts will make fine foot soldiers in the coming wars, "serving" their country and supporting their noble rulers. Good luck to you!
Im glad to see that 70% of the vote do not believe the official account.
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