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maxdiver
Hot off the press - Helen Carson writes again.

She's veering a bit to the darkside on this report.
Read it below or follow the link:
High cost of living in home of your dreams
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Monday, January 28, 2008

The last year has seen dramatic changes in the housing market. But has the prices rollercoaster cost us all dear? Property Correspondent Helen Carson reports

Everybody's talking about house prices ... again. It was the hot topic of 2006 during the province's property boom when prices peaked, growing at a record 50%-plus in just one year.

An avalanche of surveys put price tags of between £200,000 and just under a quarter of a million pounds on your bricks and mortar.

Those lucky home-owners were said to be raking in up to £200 a day in profit, according to the reports.

The flip side of the boom-time was, of course, the arrival of gazumping - when a seller accepts a higher bid having agreed a lower one earlier - a practice virtually unheard of before in the local marketplace.

First-time buyers had to turn to the bank of mum and dad to get their foot on the first rung of the property ladder. Bidding wars with cash-rich investors ensued and To Let signs replaced the For Sale ones in traditional working class areas as starter homes were snapped up and turned into cash cows.

Panic buying replaced the rational decisions which usually accompanied the single biggest transaction of most people's lives.

But the tide did inevitably turn at the beginning of 2007 when whisperings of a 'crash' began. Suddenly those 'canny' investors started to get nervous and began to off-load as interest rates soared and prices slowed down, but their investments had pushed out the very people they now needed - first-time buyers.

And by the end of 2007, the housing market was unrecognisable. Price slashing, developers dropping prices and offering incentives - anything from foreign holidays to cars and even cash towards mortgage repayments - were commonplace.

Those genuine home-owners who simply wanted to trade-up or downsize had to take it on the chin, when their property was valued at £20,000 less than the man up the street who sold his house nine months previously.

Further insult was then added to injury when, after several barren weeks, beleaguered sellers would have to drop the price again in a bid to attract a buyer.

Gazumping had been replaced by gazundering - when a buyer undercuts their original offer at the eleventh hour.

The biggest irony to this situation is that last year the province's house prices went up by a phenomenal 40%-plus - but set against the previous boom year, it was a downward turn (around 24%) - and cold comfort for those gazing sadly at a For Sale board for months on end while their life is put on hold.

Month after month, reports pointed to prices plummeting at the end of 2007, yet still Northern Ireland is one of the most expensive places in the UK to buy a house - second only to London and its suburbs. Just 12 months ago, a terrace in Belfast could barely be got for less than £200,000, now there are many for less than £150,000. Properties which were snapped up in less than seven days just over a year ago are left sad and dejected for months only to be taken off the market by fed-up owners.

The province now finds itself in stalemate. We need more social houses as many Housing Executive homes, acquired by tenants in the right-to-buy scheme, are off the market - so to speak. Another consequence of the boom was that many tenants- turned-owners sold off their homes which were selling at a premium to investors.

Finance Minister Peter Robinson has been generous with monies to build more homes - a £205m cash injection over the next three years will mean 6,000 additional social and affordable homes. And this was on top of an extra £70m pledged in the current year for houses.

And while no one would begrudge money for homes - shelter is, in fact, a basic human right - the Government is effectively pay-rolling the housing crisis.

The Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors has called for the right-to-buy scheme to be axed as it takes social houses out of the pool.

But if tenants are deprived of the chance to buy the house they have called home (and paid rent on) for many years, surely the only outcome is a divided society? The 'haves' will be those lucky enough to be on the property ladder, investors and well-heeled first-time buyers.

Meanwhile, the 'have-nots' will number single people, single-parent families and those on low incomes who will be left with no choice but to stump up rent for over-priced property in a bid to clear the owners' massive mortgage repayments. One thing most people agree on is home ownership, which is higher in Northern Ireland than anywhere else in the UK at around 90%, is good for society. When people have 'ownership' it reflects far beyond their four walls and into the local community in which there is more pride.

Now, however, the Thatcher- inspired dream of home-ownership for all will be a faded and largely unattainable hope. At a time when there is so much talk of progress in Northern Ireland - the bright, shiny, fast-talking new province, it seems, is only for the affluent chosen few. We all know our society is evolving.

With ex-pats coming home and migrants seeking fresh opportunities on these shores, the economy is booming. But surely the spoils should be for all to share? Or else what was the last 40 years, which witnessed many historic fights for justice and equality, all about?


The last 3 paragraphs are her own interpretation - i wonder if she still considers "over-priced property" to be in her own words "a good investment"???

Any thoughts - and did someone say Pulitzer?
Belfast Boy
I can't believe we have a thread aimed at putting down Jamie Delargy - who has a clue.

And now we are starting a thread praising Helen Carson - who will go down in history, as not having a clue.

Atleast she is not writing an advert for estate agents this time. Allegedly unsure.gif

Honestly, that woman is watching the stick to see which way it gets thrown blink.gif (quote from dstars)

paul65
QUOTE (Belfast Boy @ Jan 30 2008, 12:13 AM) *
And now we are starting a thread praising Helen Carson - who will go down in history, as not having a clue.

Atleast she is not writing an advert for estate agents this time. Allegedly unsure.gif


Yes BB - I struggled to find any mention of Eric Cairns, Tom McClelland or The Mortgage Shop in this piece from HC (Allegedly)
subby
I for one think Delargy's a great unbiased journo.....HC on the other hand
ravedave
Quite a well written article. It makes me wonder if she can write this now, why has it taken her so long to pen this point of view? Surely, it can't just be an overnight change on her behalf - she must have known this months and months ago yet decided to continute to write upbeat articles on the property market.

Confusing. Why did she wait so long before writing this - it makes me wonder about her...
Belfast Boy
QUOTE (ravedave @ Jan 30 2008, 09:28 AM) *
Confusing. Why did she wait so long before writing this - it makes me wonder about her...

Maybe she was in denial about her buy-to-let portfolio... allegedly unsure.gif
prophet-profit
We couldn't have a 'Helen Carson Appreciation Thread' without posting these:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...p;search=Search
subby
QUOTE (prophet-profit @ Jan 30 2008, 11:30 AM) *
We couldn't have a 'Helen Carson Appreciation Thread' without posting these:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...p;search=Search



surprised they aren't sponsored by Cairns tongue.gif ....
FrustratedFTB
QUOTE (subby @ Jan 30 2008, 11:46 AM) *
surprised they aren't sponsored by Cairns tongue.gif ....


The property Market is a fast moving beast, Eric Cairns is so yesterday now its BTWCairns!

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New Ulster estate agent revealed
Wednesday, January 30, 2008

By Helen Carson

BTWCairns is the name of Northern Ireland's newest estate agent, it emerged today.


The rebranding follows a company merger in December between leading estate agent the Eric Cairns Partnership and commercial and residential property specialist BTWShiells.

The new name and logo were unveiled following the move which has created the province's biggest property consultancy, employing 75 people.

Despite the move, though, the commercial side of the business will remain unaffected and continue to trade as BTWShiells.

BTWCairns will have a four-branch network of strategically placed offices, including the existing Eric Cairns Partnership offices at Lisburn Road and Holywood as well as the BTWShiells office in east Belfast. And a new office is due to open next month in the north of the city - all the offices will operate under the BTWCairns name.

The newly merged residential management team will include Simon Brien, Thomas O'Doherty and Trevor Dougan.

Mr Brien said the new company is looking forward to a busy year, despite some reports of falling house prices here.

"Recent forecasts are pointing to further growth in the local housing market," said Mr Brien. "We feel there is still huge potential in this marketplace and with many landmark developments already under construction and more planned, we foresee a healthy future for the local residential property market."


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/loc...icle3384972.ece

Is that growth of the negative type!




What is it 'The King is Dead, long live the King!'
Vespasian
Good to see normal service resumed....Crazy Woman!
Bosco
QUOTE (Vespasian @ Jan 30 2008, 12:21 PM) *
Good to see normal service resumed....Crazy Woman!



She's definately back on the happy pills again....more cashing in equity tripe for your reading pleasure.
Todays story is sponsored by Lagan Developments:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/homefind...icle3384967.ece

Over-65s set to reap a rich dividend over property boom
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Wednesday, January 30, 2008

By Helen Carson

Fiftty and sixty-something home-owners in Northern Ireland are increasingly cashing in the equity in their property to fund their retirement, it was revealed today.

The Council of Mortgage Lenders says householders aged 65 and over are sitting on more than £500bn in unmortgaged equity UK-wide.

And many local home-owners are now sitting on a gold-mine following the province's property boom.

A CML spokesman said this level of wealth is unlikely to be repeated and now equity-rich mature home-owners are releasing cash to buy second homes, fund their retirement or to help their children to try and get onto the property ladder.

Research from the Prudential also suggests that many fifty-somethings are starting to turn the housing market on its head with four million seeking to sell the family home and buy smaller houses to release money for their retirement years.

And in response to this trend, award-winning construction company Lagan Homes is building a special development aimed at down-sizers in what is a first for Northern Ireland.

Danesfort Hall in Stranmillis, which offers the biggest apartments in the province, including five-bedroom flats and properties up to 2,630 sq ft, has the down-sizer in mind.

The 21-apartment scheme of high-specification homes has elevator access, quality interiors, state-of-the-art integrated appliances and SmartHomes technology among other benefits with prices from £545,000 to £825,000.

Conor Mulligan, managing director of Lagan Homes, says: "We see an emerging strong demand from mature purchasers who wish to release equity to buy a holiday home or to pass some onto their children.

"Many want peace of mind with a relaxed 'lock up and leave' lifestyle where their home is secure within a gated development - a concept that certainly appeals to those who might want to spend six months a year in more sunny climates," added Mr Mulligan.

Danesfort Hall also has high security features such as panic buttons and video-entry fitted as standard.

Selling agent Gerry O'Connor says those down-sizing don't have to compromise on space at Danesfort Hall.

"The apartments are easily the largest of their kind in Belfast."

Mr O'Connor added: "They are modern, elegant, with all the turnkey finishing that you would expect from a luxury home."


Who in their right mind 'downsizes' to a half million pound flat- suppose the incidence of dementia increases with age blink.gif
subby
QUOTE
New Ulster estate agent revealed
Wednesday, January 30, 2008

By Helen Carson

BTWCairns is the name of Northern Ireland's newest estate agent, it emerged today.


The rebranding follows a company merger in December between leading estate agent the Eric Cairns Partnership and commercial and residential property specialist BTWShiells.

The new name and logo were unveiled following the move which has created the province's biggest property consultancy, employing 75 people.

Despite the move, though, the commercial side of the business will remain unaffected and continue to trade as BTWShiells.

BTWCairns will have a four-branch network of strategically placed offices, including the existing Eric Cairns Partnership offices at Lisburn Road and Holywood as well as the BTWShiells office in east Belfast. And a new office is due to open next month in the north of the city - all the offices will operate under the BTWCairns name.

The newly merged residential management team will include Simon Brien, Thomas O'Doherty and Trevor Dougan...and Helen Carson as Head of Public Relations and Chief Spokeswoman of the newly enlarged group allegedly tongue.gif

Mr Brien said the new company is looking forward to a busy year, despite some reports of falling house prices here.

"Recent forecasts are pointing to further growth in the local housing market," said Mr Brien. "We feel there is still huge potential in this marketplace and with many landmark developments already under construction and more planned, we foresee a healthy future for the local residential property market."
FrustratedFTB
Good to see that they have put her back on her original medication, the new stuff was having seemingly bizarre results, things like property can go down in price as well as up!

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UK house prices up fastest in Armagh
Friday, February 01, 2008

By Helen Carson

County Armagh has had the fastest rate of house price growth in the UK in the past 10 years at a whopping leap of 331%, according to Halifax.

The latest figures from the Halifax show the county, famous for its Cathedral city and the Armagh Planetarium, has outstripped places like Carmarthenshire in Wales, the Isle of Anglesey and Cornwall.

Despite Co Armagh's spiralling house price growth, though the average house price here is £220,229, making it more affordable than some other parts of the province, including counties Antrim and Down.

The survey also reported five out of the top 10 UK counties for house price growth are in Northern Ireland with the top three slots going to Armagh, Tyrone and Antrim respectively. These are followed by Co Down in fifth place with Londonderry at number nine.

And in terms of house price the most expensive property is to be found in Surrey where you would expect to pay £364,115 on average. New entries into the costliest homes hot-list in the past decade are East Sussex with an average price of £262,048, followed by Co Down - the only county outside the south east of England to make it into the top 10 - a house here has an average price of £253,734.

The latest findings put Northern Ireland as one of the most expensive regions in the UK outside London and the South East at the end of 2007. Two years ago, only Scotland had a lower average price than the province, according to the survey.

The sharp price rises here were attributed to a combination of a strong local economy, high levels of immigration and a big demand for properties from second home-buyers and buy-to-let investors in the Republic of Ireland.

Martin Ellis, chief economist, said: "The counties recording the best house price performance over the past 10 years have mainly been outside southern England. Four of the five counties with the highest house price growth are in Northern Ireland reflecting the strength of the housing market there over the past few years."

The report showed all UK counties have seen, at least, a doubling in prices since 1997 with house values in more than four in 10 counties trebled or more.

There are now only 20 counties in the UK with an average house price below £150,000 - 10 years ago every county was below this figure.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/homefind...icle3393334.ece
prophet-profit
QUOTE (FrustratedFTB @ Feb 1 2008, 12:21 PM) *
Good to see that they have put her back on her original medication, the new stuff was having seemingly bizarre results, things like property can go down in price as well as up!


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/homefind...icle3393334.ece


'County Armagh has had the fastest rate of house price growth in the UK in the past 10 years at a whopping leap of 331%, according to Halifax..../....

The survey also reported five out of the top 10 UK counties for house price growth are in Northern Ireland with the top three slots going to Armagh, Tyrone and Antrim respectively. These are followed by Co Down in fifth place with Londonderry at number nine'.

I didn't think quoting 10-year data was a necessity yet, sure you can still get away with quoting yoy as +ve growth dry.gif

desperate times call for desperate measures I suppose


maxdiver
Looking at prices over 10 years - when you could easily quote the 6 month change.
Selective memory?

By the way - in the nationwide HPI reports a few months ago Armagh had a 404% rise in 10 years.

I think that this report from HC is to show people how far we have come (and how far we are yet to go)
paul65
QUOTE (maxdiver @ Jan 29 2008, 11:21 AM) *
Hot off the press - Helen Carson writes again.

She's veering a bit to the darkside on this report.
Read it below or follow the link:
High cost of living in home of your dreams


The last 3 paragraphs are her own interpretation - i wonder if she still considers "over-priced property" to be in her own words "a good investment"???

Any thoughts - and did someone say Pulitzer?


Looks like HC's big boss Ed Curran at The Belfast Telegraph has fired a major broadside with this story todays paper:

Link is: Ed Curran: Will US house hysteria hit home?

CODE
It's amazing how the economics of life can change in a trice. First, it was our neighbours in the Republic who enjoyed their property prices rocketing into the 21st century. Then it was us, up here, recording the most gigantic boom in Christendom with homes sold at record values even before the estate agents could get their boards in place.

And then, without warning, a little light shone on our American friends across the Atlantic and what did it show? A new word for us all to learn to our cost - subprime. And a new world where bricks and mortar were worth not as much as we had led ourselves to believe.

If you own your own home, what do you think it's worth currently? And what do you think it will be worth in 10 years time? Double? Perhaps, even treble its value now? Or maybe a little less? For instance, how about 50% less!

Yes, I said, 50, five-zero, per cent less. But be comforted. As yet, such a forecast of home-owning doom and gloom seems confined to that other part of this island where the Celtic Tiger has now curled up in a corner and is not wagging its green, white and gold tail with the same confidence as before.

When I came across the prophesy of Morgan Kelly, I thought 'he is the scariest man on the island of Ireland.'

Indeed, so scary that if you read what he has to say about house prices, you are unlikely to have a sound night's sleep. So this column today comes with a health warning. If you don't want to know the score, as he puts it, turn away now.

Still with me, brave souls? Well, I came across Morgan Kelly's writing in the Irish Times last autumn. He was asked by the paper to answer the question 'Will Ireland have a property crash?' And he responded with a very disturbing and emphatic: "Yes."

He wrote that house prices in 10 years' time, and in real terms, (that is allowing for annual inflation) could be half of what they are now. Although his comments did not relate to Northern Ireland, I remember thinking we were unlikely to escape unscathed and maybe we should all look at the supposed value of our homes from a more realistic perspective.

Do I hear you ask 'who is Morgan Kelly and what are his bona-fides?' He is no less than Professor of Economics at University College, Dublin, and one would assume, should know what he's talking about.

Just as I had half-forgotten his first shocking forecast in 2007, he has popped up again in 2008 in the Irish Times with yet another article.

His message this time? "Sorry, it's worse than I thought. My forecast has turned out to be wildly optimistic."

He had assumed that Irish house prices would suffer a gentle annual decline over the next decade, of say 5% per annum, taking them to 50pc of current values by the year 2017. Instead, in 2007 alone, the drop had been 10% to 15%.

The professor now says that the state of the market is far worse than he anticipated and "is giving signs of reaching a critical point". This could result in "a general panic and prices collapse" .

He paints a picture of major property developers in the Republic, heavily in debt to Irish banks, unable to off-load the 50,000 houses and apartments, they have planned for this year.

What's more, he argues, the developers have yet to move many of the 70,000 homes they built last year. Therefore, they cannot repay the interest they owe on billions of euros in bank borrowings.

Most worrying, he says Ireland is different from other countries such as Spain where the property market has hit a crisis. The problem down south is compounded by thousands of unsold new homes coinciding with a slump in the prices of second-hand homes.

He even compares the Republic to Finland which suffered a major economic crisis in 1991 and suggests the same could befall the south.

" It is appearing increasingly unlikely that builders will be able to move their inventory at any price, that can remotely cover their borrowings, making a wave of bankruptcies inevitable.

"It is not hard to imagine a scenario where tens of thousands of new units built by bankrupt developers are sold for a fraction of their construction cost or simply boarded up, leaving most existing apartments and commuter-belt houses effectively valueless.

"With rising unemployment, falling tax revenues, and sharp falls in stock prices, it is becoming evident that the problems of the Irish economy run a great deal deeper than a few overpriced houses."

Of course, there is another school of thought. 'Don't worry - this is not the apocalypse,' wrote Dublin commentator and former editor, Damien Kiberd, recently in the Sunday Times. He argued that the housing market was correcting itself. The banks had instructed developers to cut back on new homes and apartments to avoid flooding the market.

The Irish employment market was expanding by 5% a year. Private business alone in the Republic was employing more than one million workers, the equivalent of the entire workforce in 1987. Young exiles returning and migrant workers flocking from the continent would still require somewhere to live.

However, one way or another, it still looks a deeply worrying picture for Dublin. If Professor Murphy's Armageddon scenario did unfold, it would also have serious repercussions for Northern Ireland as well. The two economies are now so inter-dependent that one cannot escape the other's failings.

Whatever happens down south, the next few months look to be anxious and critical times as we all find out around the world if a recession is biting or not. What's a recession?

It's two successive quarters in a year when the economy is in decline. US President Harry Truman had his own famous definition: "It's a recession when your neighbour loses his job: it's a depression when you lose yours." Things are not quite that bad - yet. Recession? Depression? Or simply a short-term blip for the once-booming Celtic Tiger? Who knows but one would presume the Professor of Economics at Dublin University should.

While other commentators do not share his doom-laden views, he paints a dismal scenario.

Who is right? One set of people, I suspect, have a very good idea because they hold the purse-strings of all of us and have financed property developers in the south to the tune of an incredible €100bn euros. Somewhere deep in the vaults of the big Irish banks, the truth will out. Sooner rather than later?

In the meantime, estate agents of the world unite. And let none of the rest of us get carried away with the value of our bricks and mortar.

Want a sleepless night?

Just keep repeating the name of Ireland's scariest man  Morgan Kelly  Morgan Kelly ... Morgan Kelly.




doccyboy
QUOTE (paul65 @ Feb 4 2008, 02:42 PM) *
Looks like HC's big boss Ed Curran at The Belfast Telegraph has fired a major broadside with this story todays paper:



He wrote that house prices in 10 years' time, and in real terms, (that is allowing for annual inflation) could be half of what they are now. Although his comments did not relate to Northern Ireland, I remember thinking we were unlikely to escape unscathed and maybe we should all look at the supposed value of our homes from a more realistic perspective.


The professor now says that the state of the market is far worse than he anticipated and "is giving signs of reaching a critical point". This could result in "a general panic and prices collapse" .

He paints a picture of major property developers in the Republic, heavily in debt to Irish banks, unable to off-load the 50,000 houses and apartments, they have planned for this year.

What's more, he argues, the developers have yet to move many of the 70,000 homes they built last year. Therefore, they cannot repay the interest they owe on billions of euros in bank borrowings.

Most worrying, he says Ireland is different from other countries such as Spain where the property market has hit a crisis. The problem down south is compounded by thousands of unsold new homes coinciding with a slump in the prices of second-hand homes.

He even compares the Republic to Finland which suffered a major economic crisis in 1991 and suggests the same could befall the south.

" It is appearing increasingly unlikely that builders will be able to move their inventory at any price, that can remotely cover their borrowings, making a wave of bankruptcies inevitable.

"It is not hard to imagine a scenario where tens of thousands of new units built by bankrupt developers are sold for a fraction of their construction cost or simply boarded up, leaving most existing apartments and commuter-belt houses effectively valueless.

"With rising unemployment, falling tax revenues, and sharp falls in stock prices, it is becoming evident that the problems of the Irish economy run a great deal deeper than a few overpriced houses."


However, one way or another, it still looks a deeply worrying picture for Dublin. If Professor Murphy's Armageddon scenario did unfold, it would also have serious repercussions for Northern Ireland as well. The two economies are now so inter-dependent that one cannot escape the other's failings.

Whatever happens down south, the next few months look to be anxious and critical times as we all find out around the world if a recession is biting or not. What's a recession?

It's two successive quarters in a year when the economy is in decline. US President Harry Truman had his own famous definition: "It's a recession when your neighbour loses his job: it's a depression when you lose yours." Things are not quite that bad - yet. Recession? Depression? Or simply a short-term blip for the once-booming Celtic Tiger? Who knows but one would presume the Professor of Economics at Dublin University should.

While other commentators do not share his doom-laden views, he paints a dismal scenario.

Who is right? One set of people, I suspect, have a very good idea because they hold the purse-strings of all of us and have financed property developers in the south to the tune of an incredible €100bn euros. Somewhere deep in the vaults of the big Irish banks, the truth will out. Sooner rather than later?

In the meantime, estate agents of the world unite. And let none of the rest of us get carried away with the value of our bricks and mortar.

Want a sleepless night?

Just keep repeating the name of Ireland's scariest man Morgan Kelly Morgan Kelly ... Morgan Kelly.[/code]


Wow that is some article. How can that HC ramp prices after that?
paul65
QUOTE (doccyboy @ Feb 4 2008, 03:11 PM) *
Wow that is some article. How can that HC ramp prices after that?


Yeah I for one can't wait to see the fall out from this story. The fact that it is written by the big man at the BT too as an opinion piece must surely be of some significance! HC will have a hard job convincing the us that the property market is on the rise again now.
Leapforth
Oh-oh. ph34r.gif

I wouldnt presume to make predictions about property prices, but I can predict that Helen will shortly be relegated to the 'nice stories about old ladies turning 105 and doggies who walked fifty miles home' corner.

And she'll still probably manage to screw up.
Sogy
Here she goes again!

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/homefind...icle3413895.ece

Thank you, dear BoE, for helping me so much! smile.gif
pod
A saving of £15/month on a £100,000 repayment mortgage.

Says it all really...
subby
QUOTE (pod @ Feb 8 2008, 10:44 AM) *
A saving of £15/month on a £100,000 repayment mortgage.

Says it all really...


Yes helen....that £15 extra a month will make ALL the difference. Hell I might even see people being able to afford a chinese meal once a month now!!
Sogy
QUOTE (subby @ Feb 8 2008, 11:22 AM) *
Hell I might even see people being able to afford a chinese meal once a month now!!


"Every little helps!" © Tesco
subby
QUOTE (doccyboy @ Feb 20 2008, 11:21 AM) *
She's got it right this time.


for once.... wink.gif
subby
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John McLarnon, partner at Ulster Property Sales, Cavehill Road branch, said: "Those who purchased a property at the peak of the boom - about this time last year - could be in negative equity


what's with the COULD....they ARE!!!!


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"If they bought a year ago, they could be making a loss," he added.


What's with the COULD??? THEY ARE!!!


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The estate agent pointed out those selling may achieve up to 20% less than the same time last year: " Sellers could experience falling values of about 20%."


What's with the COULD...THEY ARE ALREADY!!!


And Mr McLarnon said he is advising sellers with houses on the market for up to a year to drop the asking price.
And price slashing has become common practice among estate agents provincewide.
The roller coaster that is the Ulster property market is illustrated by one homeowner who placed his six-bedroom Antrim Road home on the market last summer with UPS.
The refurbished period property was initially valued at £475,000 with a view to sell at £500,000.
Now the vendor has agreed to drop the asking price to £350,000 in a bid to get it sold.
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Mr McLarnon said: "House prices were too high and people do sympathise with first-time buyers trying to get started. I think we are seeing the green shoots of recovery and hopefully prices here have bottomed out."


These VI's really can't help themselves...TAKE...OFF...BLINKERS....

..note the HOPEFULLY part of the last sentence....desperation methinks biggrin.gif
maxdiver
What's this - almost midday and not one post on HPC NI today!

Come back Helen we miss you!!!!

From what i've been reading in the BT:
Falling house prices mean house prices are stabilising
Nobody buying means that more people will
Falling prices gives confidence to buyers
There are green shoots of growth in NI
NI suffers rampant Rhodudendrum infestation.


subby
latest journalistic gem.... rolleyes.gif


Experts give a mixed reaction



A lukewarm reception for plan to build 5,000 homes
How Ritchie plans will aid housing crisis
Wednesday, February 27, 2008

By Helen Carson

Housing experts gave a mixed reaction to Executive Minister Margaret Ritchie's radical proposals aimed at overcoming the housing crisis.


The Department for Social Development Minister announced an ambitious plan yesterday to build up to 5,000 homes in the province, as well as a package of measures aimed at helping first-time buyers priced out of the market.

Alan Crowe, chief executive of the Northern Ireland Co-Ownership Scheme, welcomed a proposal to scrap the 30-year-old system of capping the value of properties eligible for Co-Ownership: "The scheme has hit record levels over the last few months - with house prices 10-times average incomes it's the only route for many onto the property ladder. This will mean that in locations all over Northern Ireland people will now find it much easier to find an affordable home."

.....more getting into negative equity

The abolition of the cap also means co-owners will be able to negotiate more affordable homes, according to Mr Crowe.

Chief executive of the Northern Ireland Federation of Housing Associations, Chris Williamson, said they "broadly welcomed" the moves by Minister Ritchie.

He added, however: "As part of the 'housing family' we (the NIFHA) need to be engaged by the Minister and her officials in the discussions of the practical details.

"To date we have been kept on the periphery," he claimed.

Mr Williamson added: "The Federation is concerned by the Minister's belief that grant rates to housing associations can be cut by 10% from this April without materially affecting the affordability of rents."

And the housing chief also questioned the Minister's confidence in achieving a 10% saving on efficiency so quickly.

"Evidence from Britain suggests the opposite; there are no short-term savings," he claimed, adding: "Indeed the cost of procurement groups far out weigh short-term economies. Savings may come in the long-term."

Meanwhile, the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors said they are in favour of a shared future housing approach.

RICS Northern Ireland housing spokesman, Tom McClelland, said: "By encouraging and supporting members or our divided society to live together, we can make significant steps towards reducing the need for duplication. Shared communities are sustainable communities."

He also called for a reduction in stamp duty for zero carbon homes as part of the move to reduce our carbon footprint here.

Mr McClelland said rate reductions would encourage other homeowners to refit their properties to make them more energy efficient.
Traktion
My word, do they *want* to make houses more affordable or not? Co-ownership will just result in more people paying more for less.

The prices simply need to come down and the best way to do that is to let the market forces do their job. They didn't meddle with the bloody thing on the way up (when perhaps they should have), yet they insist on these daft measures on the way down.

Anyone get the impression that there are a few people at the top trying to look after their accumulated equity, rather than genuinely wanting to help out FTBs and others struggling with their hugely inflated mortgages? Talk about poking through the embers to try to get the fire going again!
Sogy
QUOTE (Traktion @ Feb 27 2008, 12:34 PM) *
Anyone get the impression that there are a few people at the top trying to look after their accumulated equity, rather than genuinely wanting to help out FTBs and others struggling with their hugely inflated mortgages?


Same here!
maxdiver
Regarding this co-ownership.

the real loser is the tax payer - having to subsidise the building of houses for those who can't afford it.

If the costs of building houses is as high as MD says - and salaries as low as they say - people here will never be able to afford to live in quality standard accomodation.

Unless the government intervenes and subsidises homeowners.

Personally i beleive that if the people can afford buy somewhere - the government should not help them.
Those not on the shanty-list - normal people who are not the poor - are being squeezed.
i'd hate to think that claimants are able to have an interest free loan and benefits galore and the average person who works has to foot the bill not only for their own roof but for the roof of dossers through his taxes.

If those at the top want to maintain high house prices andtheir wealth then it will bankrupt NI - meaning htat big schemes like a tramway through E. Belfast will remain a pipe-dream.

HC doesn't seem to think too much about what she regurgitates.

Good idea about integrated communities - but Zero-carbon homes are a joke if they are located in the current style of requiring everyone to have a car to get around - except the kids who will drink cider in the field as they have always done.
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