I’m sure all of this has been discussed before so I apologise to anyone who is well and truly bored with the subject, however has anyone any updated views on PPS 14 and building in the countryside? I know that there was a legal challenge to the policy statement which was judged “unlawful” by Mr. Justice Gillen on 7 September 2007. Arlene Foster Minister of the Environment N.Ireland subsequently released a statement on the 25th of October 2007 where she decided to “reissue the policy provisions of draft PPS14 and to continue to apply them to planning applications received after 16 March 2006 until we have completed our review and developed new policies. I will publish a new draft PPS14 within six months and this will be followed by a period of consultation”. As this review was to take 6 months, she should in a position to publish her findings by April / May of this year. Does the forum have any views or information on the likely decision? Are the rules likely to remain as outlined in PPS 14? I know that many of the political parties promised to challenge PPS 14 in the assembly. When is such a debate likely to be tabled, and what are the likely outcomes? Are the assembly likely to keep PPS 14 largely unchanged or are they likely to open up the planning once again? What does the forum think about the existing value of individual building sites in the countryside? Are thy likely to hold up or do the forum see them falling like the rest of the market. Obviously our very slow, bureaucratic and inefficient planning service has been partly to blame for massive inflation in this particular sub-market. I presume it all falls back to basic supply and demand rule of economics. In know that supply has been cut off by the current planning laws (for now), however is the demand still there in light of the current cooling in the property market, now the feeding frenzy and panic buying has left the market?

hi mephisto
when did the DOE + planners ever get anything done on time
so wouldnt be holding my breath
from what i hear
no big changes
slight easing for farmers family applications
but no going back to the good old days
if you are thinking of speculating
now could be a very good time
lots on the market because if most farmers sell before end of March
they will face a considerably smaller CGT bill than from April onwards
also planning time limit will start to run out shortly on most of them
so a cheeky wee offer may well be accepted by some
3-4 years down the line that nice little plot in the country
will be as common as a farmer telling you that he is
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possibly we will end up like England
where every aul pigsty has become a highly prized barn conversionhttp://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/style_images/1/folder_post_icons/icon13.gif
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Sorry to quote myself in attempt to start up another thread. I posted the above entry in the main N.Ireland forum. Unfortunately I did not seem to stimulate any debate. Thanks to Rock-n-Roll1 for the reply. I presume everyone is well and truly bored with the subject. Alternatively this may be a micro-market that not many are interested in. I thought I would create a sub forum to see if there was any interest. Perhaps Arlene Fosters report will stimulate some discussion - whenever it eventually materialises!

Maybe we could get 'junior' to have a word with someone!!!!! ha ha ha PPS14 is only for the little people when it comes to junior.

Sorry to quote myself in attempt to start up another thread. I posted the above entry in the main N.Ireland forum. Unfortunately I did not seem to stimulate any debate. Thanks to Rock-n-Roll1 for the reply. I presume everyone is well and truly bored with the subject. Alternatively this may be a micro-market that not many are interested in. I thought I would create a sub forum to see if there was any interest. Perhaps Arlene Fosters report will stimulate some discussion - whenever it eventually materialises!

I have been lurking for a while but this is my first post.

From what I hear there will be no movement on PPS14. The local planners already had similar powers to refuse applications in the open countryside under existing policys; however, PPS14 just seems to have packaged them together and made it mandatory that they use them.

I have been told that (no evidence) Omagh district council (who broke the news of PPS14) has a room full of applications for outline planning which have to be decided under old policys and will likely get approval (because of precedent), I believe this is the same for all local authoritys. In the next number of years we will probably see an increase of sites on the market.

A lot of sites with outline do appear to be running out and are being extended with a full application, I believe that this reduces the price of the site as most of the full applications are awful design. PPS14 does allow for the change of house type or a full application which does not confine itself to the outline conditions although it can sometimes be an up hill struggle explaining this to planners. (they seem to be as confused on the subject as the rest of us)

I spoke to a number of local estate agents recently and they have suggested that sites are on average going for 10% less than the asking price at the moment. One EA also suggested that he expected more than 20% falls in new build developments.

Anyway I realise that you are trying to stick to facts on the board at the moment and this is all just my opinion with no evidence to back it.

I have been lurking for a while but this is my first post.

From what I hear there will be no movement on PPS14. The local planners already had similar powers to refuse applications in the open countryside under existing policys; however, PPS14 just seems to have packaged them together and made it mandatory that they use them.

I have been told that (no evidence) Omagh district council (who broke the news of PPS14) has a room full of applications for outline planning which have to be decided under old policys and will likely get approval (because of precedent), I believe this is the same for all local authoritys. In the next number of years we will probably see an increase of sites on the market.

A lot of sites with outline do appear to be running out and are being extended with a full application, I believe that this reduces the price of the site as most of the full applications are awful design. PPS14 does allow for the change of house type or a full application which does not confine itself to the outline conditions although it can sometimes be an up hill struggle explaining this to planners. (they seem to be as confused on the subject as the rest of us)

I spoke to a number of local estate agents recently and they have suggested that sites are on average going for 10% less than the asking price at the moment. One EA also suggested that he expected more than 20% falls in new build developments.

Anyway I realise that you are trying to stick to facts on the board at the moment and this is all just my opinion with no evidence to back it.

Sorry to quote myself in attempt to start up another thread. I posted the above entry in the main N.Ireland forum. Unfortunately I did not seem to stimulate any debate. Thanks to Rock-n-Roll1 for the reply. I presume everyone is well and truly bored with the subject. Alternatively this may be a micro-market that not many are interested in. I thought I would create a sub forum to see if there was any interest. Perhaps Arlene Fosters report will stimulate some discussion - whenever it eventually materialises!

Hi Archy, thanks for the link. I did try and find this information for myself following some news coverage on local TV. Unfortunately I find the Planning Service website a bit difficult to navigate and couldn’t find the press release that your link has provided. Looking forward to reading the finished document in April, it should make interesting reading. I see that Ian Paisley Junior sat on the assembly planning review committee – I wonder who will replace him?

(think that should be ok with my solicitor)