Yesterday there was a thread on here pertaining to recent political events and the system by which the UK government controls the news media.

Today, that post has vanished,

I actually found myself wondering if I had dreamt it, but my browser cache has the information.

Did anyone see the post? Please confirm if you did? I'm curious to see how quickly this will get removed too.

I don't normally think we live in a state with significant censorship by the authorities, but now I come to doubt that.

I posted a couple of responses, now deleted. If I go to my list of responses there is no mention. Someone has gone through the hpc website systematically deleting the original topic, and the record that I posted to it.

Odd, very odd.

Any comments?

That's what I was wondering - can't be the mention of BBC censorship of news items surely? Bhutto murder method changed by the hour.

Not dreaming, i read it too. But i am here 20 hours a day.

Censored.

Yep, and it mentioned Bhutto saying Bin Laden is already dead in a Frost interview.

Oops, bet this one gets pulled now(!)

Has it been moved off topic?

Yep. Was definitely there. The following link showed up when I pasted the topic number but it doesn't link to anything now.

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...mp;#entry914900

Can't see it in the off topic thread - normally a reply notification will take you to the original post, even if it's been moved to a different part of the forum - but not this one, it says the post cannot be found.

Have you PM'd a mod to ask?

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, I love the smell of irony in the evening. The dissapearing D notice article, how queer.



edit ps it was VacantPossession wasn't it, someone check he's still alive!!

No I haven't. How do you do that? Could you do so?

Only two interpretations.

1) The DA Notice committee asked for it to be removed.
2) The moderators or people who run the site felt it was too hot and took it off.

Either way, that is dynamite. Any journalists reading and care to run with this?

I had posted about the Hutton report. I am sure I could re-create the gist of the post.

Mods, could you comment please?

Don't have privileges to do that as still a 'new poster'. Maybe that nice man BarrelShifter will do it for you?

http://www.dnotice.org.uk/

Well according to the link above the dnotice system is supposed to be VOLUNTARY code ie they cannot enforce it so in theory at least the commitee can't lean on anyone who doesn't choose to abide by the code. In practice however, with appropriate threats of litigation, crim. proceedings (for anything from incitement of civil unrest to....well dunno really but you get the idea), it's perfectly possible HPC got their collar lightly tickled on it? Anyway, I read it and I believe Bhutto believed what she said to be true-damn this effing government to hell....they deserve to burn for what they have done in the name of 'anti-terror' measures.
Oh and in case you're wondering forums these days are not a safe haven to slate individuals, corporations etc anonymously-if you libel someone even on t'internet, expect the offended party to get your details and do/sue* you for it!!!

*delete as appropriate

Ominously it says on his user profile

"Last Seen: Today, 08:14 PM"

No mention of his post entitled

D notice system, secrecy, and housing.

Come on mods. Is this just a big joke at our expense, or is big brother watching? I might have to change my user name to Winston Smith.

I had posted a question about the reason for an extraordinary meeting of the DA notice committee referred to here:
http://www.dnotice.org.uk/records.htm

It was held on 28th August 2007. I had questioned whether something significant had happened pertaining to National Security on that date, or whether it might have related to imminent collapse of certain banks.

My understanding is that the committee doesn't have to meet to discuss a particular d-notice. I wonder if they would have to meet if they wanted to extend the d-notice system to cover threats to the UK posed by reporting of bank runs, etc?

Just tried posting to MOD but they have their personal message inbox disabled. Who's a moderator?

You mean this one:

[Removed by moderator]

I'm a rebel

Mods - we deserve an answer. Why was the thread pulled? I read it and I also understood that it was about an interview with Benazir Bhutto and David Frost where she said that Osama Bin Laden was dead and a complaint was made and upheld that this reference had been removed.

BTW, everyone, repeat as much as you can remember of the thread, the interview, whatever, because they can't keep banning every thread that recalls the thread that remembers the thread. And if anyone has it cached, please reproduce it now and also keep a yourself and a hard copy too. I trust no-one these days - at least, not those in governance over us...

my post of dec 29th mentions Bhutto saying bin laden dead in the frost interview did not get removed.
post 27

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...mp;#entry905693

Top work

Oh SEW, you are a one


Bart of Darkness is a mod (check the master forums topics lists, & it states the mods there)

Now if the cache disappears it really is sinister.........

google cache has the second page

[Removed by moderator]

Wonder that the d-notice system hasn't got there too.

...but possible conspiracies are such fun....let's keep milking this one and, who knows, one day we could actualy get it right....!

Isn't it likely to be quite a lot of work to go through the whole site, removing all the posts by the 20 or so people who responded to the original post, and making sure there are no broken threads?

It's almost certainly a mods decision as the post was somewhat controversial and only tangentially related to the housing market. Unless of course you believe that Nu Labour can levitate the housing market purely using the power of words.

Anyone know how to get google cache to find the third page?

Yes, it is. I guess i'm still thinking in terms of error not intent. If it actually turns out to be intentional censorship then we need to begin a new website that majors on survival in the face of a dictatorship, not just a house price crash.

Ohh no...this forum was an escape from the fake world but now people are dispapearing

Time for:
Guns, foil, gold, cans, cows ,pigs , silver, veg , Castle ..woman & laptop

Sorry to digress and go back to the Bhutto interview issue, but I never got a chance to ask this before......................

...........why the feck does David Frost just ramble on about the bombing attempt on her life as if the name Osama had not been mentioned, let alone his death?

Hay, hay, we are back in D notice territory, amazing.

Maybe, but hardly a secret...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=na...hutto+bin+laden


Also, Hutton was widely derided as a whitewash, so again nothing new to see.

I'm guessing because religion was mentioned...that has happened in the past and caused massive debates, perhaps not relevant to the site, but fun. Oh well, suppose there are plenty of God sites to argue that one on. Or maybe it's because it started getting insulting...who knows, but the mods are like refs, they have the final say, and unless you want a red card, it's best not wind them up too much

found the third page
[Removed by moderator]

At the bottom is what I had to say about Hutton.

Ssshhh keep it to yourself but you can find them all here.

HPC Moderators

Nothing to see here, please move along.

Didn't someone mention Googling Lord Linley? Maybe that's why?

So we know the mods are taking notice. They've just moved boomboom's post

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...showtopic=65205

Although not obliterated any mention of it.

So come on mods, what goes?

Well well well, moved again!

To the right Forum I would say.

Not sure why this is the right forum.

Firstly, the initial article just disappeared - didn't get moved. The article was about censorship.

Secondly, the initial article asked the serious question, which was if a major financial crash risked upsetting the Uk financial health, could the D-notice process be used to limit reporting? That is pretty important and certainly relevant to a house price crash and the state of the economy.

I notice that posts on Jeremy Clarkson and the loss of bank records weren't moved. Surely that was much less relevant to the issue of House price crash?

Well you could have a choice OTF or this Forum, but I would say this Forum is more appropriate as it is questioning Moderator actions.

You may notice threads which question Mods actions are plenty in this Forum.

I removed the thread that you are discussing, yesterday, at the specific request of the thread starter.

Well, well, so it was not the wicked censorship imposed by The Moderators.

Maybe you lot should start eating some humble pie, the mind boggles.

Could the Mods move this back to the Main Forum for 24 hours to ensure the masses see the true reason.

I confirm this fact. The moderators have acted with complete integrity. I asked for the thread to be discontinued because I felt, in retrospect, that the subject I raised could have been interpreted as other than I wished: I am an ordinary person with a respect for the rule of law and decency, democracy and fairness. I did not wish my post to be perceived as anything other than what is already in the public domain. Please allow this matter to be closed. Thank you.

VP

While the thread might not have developed the way you wished it to there were a number of other members who did not wish for the thread to be deleted. I'm thinking in particular of the other members who posted to the thread. You are not a moderator and it is not really your call as to what other members can read or contribute. It might be worth bearing that in mind next time one of "your" threads goes off course.

Now closed for me but I think the above needed to be said.

Fair point. But I was referring to things I said, and was not seeking to censor the posts of others.

VP

Wow, scripted response or what!

Ssshhhhhhh, no one is listening, were you TOLD to say all that garbage?

Did 'they' come for you in the night VP?

Surely if you post something up, and then wish to distance yourself from it, you could just edit your own posts and remove the text, leaving a note behind to say why you felt like doing this?

Rather than removing everyone else's opinion on a subject.

Wouldn't that be fairer and more transparent for everyone?

As someone said - why didnt you just edit it?

Why is speaking about D-notices disrespectful to "the rule of law and decency, democracy and fairness"?

The matter would be well and truely closed now and dropped down to page 26 if all this palaver hadnt been undertaken.

Besides you made some interesting points - I certainly didnt think this was anything other than public domain - in fact I dismissed the whole thing as incompotence. Now though its got a life of its own and its all over the web in cached pages.

What a mess.

they are actually a very nice, well rounded bunch of guys. A lot of thought goes into their decisions I can assure you.

They have always & will always be open to discussion, regarding any issues you/me/us might have imo.

This is the best site I have ever been a member of from a moderation pov.