Can't believe the evil propaganda on ITV now. Evil.

Is it me or was that the most one sided property programme I've ever seen?

Not once in the programme were FTB's mentioned, nor was the fact that rising prices don't do anyone much good?

Ill informed one sided c**p.

Trevor, hang your head in shame

Sordid porn.

I'm not sure it was that one sided. Bland would be my description. Even Alltripe refrained from talking the market up although the word 'price drop' was beneath her.

It was a pretty boring programme to be frank.

Yes one sided... did you see the bit about justifying an overpriced property by "Putting some twigs in a pot in the fireplace"!?
Kirsty... I actually mouthed THE rudest word in the world as I watched her speak in that affected 'posh' voice No-one except the Queen says "Hice" for house Kirsty.
And you ain't no queen.

Sickening that people who want lower house prices are labelled "doom and scare mongerers" For me that was the clearest evidence of ITV's bias.

Sickening indeed. Were we supposed to feel sorry for any of the house owners sobbing cos they can't make money out of us?

If evil propaganda is transmiting bland, uninformative, fact-less, bite size bits of rubish programming.. I agree!

It wasn't bullish or bearish... it was pointless

I think the ITV twits made this to acknowledge that there is something happening without being labelled 'doom mongers' but ended up saying nothing that you couldn't read in The Sun or other piece of crap.

Yes, but it only appears like that to the informed like us. What I meant was the effect it would have on the many easily-led, afraid ftbs out there who are being bullied into buying and then risking financial hell.
It was wrong, dangerous and I would say evil.

well I agree that it didn't tell us very much.

I expected to see 30 mins of informed predictions about the housing market for 2005. What we got was a 29 min resume of what has happened in the last 12 months (gee, I wish I'd been there ) and 60 seconds of 'predictions' from a bunch of dung brains who know as much about housing markets as my budgie.

The whole show was a long parade of utterly odious characters, from Pigslop to, smugly lying bankers, d*ckheaded estate agents, and some of the most horrible 'sellers' yet seen on TV. Did you see that berk that thought he could sell easily because he'd wired a couple of speaker-points to the wall? Or the moany-whiney chavette with the two-tone Tony and Guy hairdo moaning that her baby didn't get a garden for christmas - it was a sodding tangerine and a bit of coal in my day, darling.

Hold on a second there. I'm pretty sure John Calverley could beat your budgie hands down when it comes to knowing about markets.

Exactly

What use did it serve

Apart from showing Kirsty to be even fatter and dumber than we recall

Still fairly bearish towards the end

Why couldnt someone say "its very simple we have just had the lowest number of mortgage approvals since the last crash what do you thinks going to happen?"

who ?

Just because it said what you didn't want to hear it doesn't mean that it is evil propaganda . I'm sure that the house prices are on the way down just not as dramatically as you guys are hoping for...

It didn't say anything that we don't already know

May as well have put on a show about what the weather did yesterday

Dr Doom! Indeed! Shameless.
Can these people be held to account if I buy now and then end up in neg equity? It's sort of financial advice really.
Kirsty.KIRSTY!!! I want to sit in the shower and rip pieces of paper into tiny bits murmuring her name. I'm so cross.

Maybe we are more informed, but I'm not convinced that the programme would affect anyone with a brain (ie not a Sun reader )

I say this by comparing it to the last Sir Trev production with self-cert mortgages, which was interesting, informative, and better journalism.

I felt this programme was just a "filler".. in a weeks time will anyone remember the content? No..

He was, and still is AFAIAA, Chief Economist for American Express, and has predicted big declines for the housing market.

What do you think Crashedoutandburned?

Keano, a newbie wrote this :

I won't be watching the show. Firstly, because it is a crap programme, imo and secondly, regardless of what slant the programme takes, bear or bullish (or probably inbetween), I know, in my own mind, that I will not buy property until prices come down to my 3.5 X earnings. The "correction" is well under way. I can appreciate that a bearish Sir Trev might do us all a favour but on the other hand, suppose the programme turns out to be Pro Bull, will I change my mind on this ridiculous housing bubble? I don't think so. Will I be influenced by the Daily Express regardless of what headline? NO Will I listen to another vested interest analysis supporting rising prices and change my mind? NO NO NO!! Do I actually believe what I'm told by the media?

""Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes" Chico Marx (Duck Soup)


IMO, he got it right.

Trouble is it didn't really say anything.. just following up some people (I assume from another programme.. I didn't see).. and a few sound bites, without any explaination.



If you look at the HPC sweep stake, you'll actually see I'm one of the less bearish bears!

so funny watching you guys whinge on here

that show realy pissed on your chips and probably screwed up your hopes for 05

The reality is that rates are coming down before they go up , and anyone hoping for massive falls in prices is gonna look pretty dumb

youve been rabbitting on here for over 12 months now.and what has happened?

you are just screwing your insular minds up, whilst the property market has risen around 15-20%

there is much less of a bear feel on here now.it seems to be that deep down manyof you guys are secretly resigned to the fact that massive drops (even 10%) drops arent going to happen.

the irony for me is that i specialise in securing below market value deals and all of this uncertainty, couple d with the masses plain ignorance of anything other than soap operas etc, means that i laying the old ,market crashing. angle on with a trowel and getting great deals.the punting them put at a clear 10-15K bunce on average.

lots of my 'clients' LOL read this site...youve helped me line my pockets guys! cheers!

I didn't understand how that blokes mortgage could have got up by 500 quid in a year (thats 500 quid a month)

Wot a load of nonsense on ITV. Bloke paying £1,500 in mortgage payments. "Are you worried? Derrr I think so." I know. I'll spend £30,000 and buy a huge plasma TV and wire up the speakers all round the house. That will make it sell.

Reminds me of the Monty Python sketch, My brain hurts!

In October I banged on in my postings about self cert ending with the new mortgage regs coming out in November. New mortgage lending has decreased by a whopping 40%. Did I blink and miss this being mentioned on the programme? Instead we watched some ridiculous woman turning a bed around and stating the bleeding obvious.

ITV should be ashamed of themselves for showing such a misinformed badly produced programme at peak time.

I didn't see it because my TV (came with rented property) is f-cked. Perhaps my landlord hasn't replaced it yet because he's trying to save me from progs like this and big brother. And anyway, life is great without telly although I would like to see fatty allslob one more time, just to see what I'm missing.

That bloke was a bit of a wally, I am amazed how these sort of people can afford such toys, apart from whacking it on the credit card of course

Face reality guys!

Whilst you lot keep moaning and wishing your little lives away for some fairy tale to happen..........entrpreneurs with the balls to handle and manage risk have made big money in property - and protected their positions..but you probably wouldnt understand unconventional strategy!

This kind of jealousy is quite common in human beings when facing defeat

Youve missed the boat, or worse still, been on the boat and got off it..............and you therefore have to join together on here.....as a lot of weak components sticking together can actually appear to be strong (until the components move away from each other)

this is your therapy, and i wish you all well

but why the hell dont you get lives?

some people have posted around 6000 times in less than 6 months..obsessive behaviour.........worthy of therapy.seriously!

if that type of thought and effort was put into something worthwhile, they could probably be master of their own destiny by now..but they indulge their sad little lives on this dross

it is very sad indeed to see this pitiful ste, and unfortunately, you fizz is disappearing

it has lost that arrogant edge it had in late summer/early august..which i suppose is understandable.

Hi BBB/PM. Didn't anyone tell you double log-ins are not allowed?

I used to like........well not mind Kirsty but now I wanto slap her

hi zz

funny how your responded to the post (nearly 6000!! ffs)

youve lost your edge pal havnt you..is that cross getting heavy now? LOL

you mean WTN is the same person as bbb?????????

shock horror michael...you naivetyis endearing..yes.it isnt actually illegal to do this

however, I can assure you zz is wrong....guess again guys.....at least it will give you something worthwhile to do as you wallow in your futile mission! LOLOL

I assume it was a discounted mortgage, but then then they didn't say.

They did say he had 270k mortgage.. so

£1k/month would pay for
- a repayment mortgage on 270k @ 1%
- interest only mortgage on 270k @ 4.5%

£1.5k would pay for
- a repayment mortgage on 270k @ 4.5%
- interest only mortgage on 270k @ 6.75%

I can't make the figures match what was said.

For all we know he could of changed from interest only to repayment!

BUT replaying the tape, the program did say it was due to interest rises only.. surely they are not now paying 6.75% interest only

Missed the boat. Do you think we are all 40 something losers that have never made it in life. Some of us are hard working people that are starting out in life. I've not been working my **** off for a fairy tale. I just want what every other hard working person before me has had, the opportunity to have a home of my own. Your dam right I am jealous, why shouldn't I be, shouldn't I deserve an affordable home, or is that just for people with big balls that have had the fortune to make money out of the less fortunate.

Come here and spin all you want, but to me, you just sound like a C**T

I missed it, sounds like Trevor has been brainwashed. Tell me it's not true.


but, It won't make any difference anyway. The only way is down.

what dickhead invited that old-slapper (allcrap) on anyway.

1: This programme has nothing to do with "Trevor". He puts his name to it and introduces it. NOTHING more.

2: In half-an-hour of telling the viewer absolutely nothing, they didn't find time to mention that the presenter, Jonathan Maitland, is a BTLer.

http://property.timesonline.co.uk/article/...1360331,00.html

This, in my opinion, is in itself worthy of a complaint to the broadcasting authorities.

Why? Because although the show was not the most imbalanced I have seen (giving property non-expert Krusty the last and longest say was very dodgy though) we have no idea what Maitland uncovered and decided to leave out.

This might explain why a programme billed as examining the PROSPECTS for the housing market instead spent 95% of its time examining the HISTORY of the market.

But, all in all, the biggest waste of half-an-hour imaginable.

What makes Kirsty an expert?
What makes any of the wallys expert?

How come I AM an expert and they are only pretending to be experts. I found it interesting the way they did admit the market is stagnant and some dipstick mentioned 'realistic' asking prices.

If only they could have had one, just one, FTB saying that prices were completely unaffordable for young people and no-one wanted a 5 times salary mortgage for a depreciating hutch.

Anyway, feck the lot of them - *****ers every last one of them. They seem to think there isn't anything on the market - boy they want to come round here - some of the For Sale boards are a health hazard they have been up so long - house after house with two or even three agents.

Fat Kirsty said one thing that was true - a stagnant market doesn't mean we stop living and people, soonor or later, will have to move. There is nothing new in this - exactly the same as last time. Took a long period of stagnation last time before they fell and even then it was gradual.

This time we have the internet, I don't know what is the matter with this web site. Why aren't they mobilising First Time Buyers to act together?

Hi, I’m a regular visitor to this excellent site and enjoy reading the posts here. This is my first post so I wish to say hello and a Happy New Year to all.

I’m currently renting since I first went to University. I graduated a few years ago and unfortunately I can’t afford property at present. I watched the programme and it seemed to be pretty lame. One sided is correct to a point. Somebody made a point that in the coming months people will be forced back into the market dude to the various personnel situations that cause people to move, divorce, marriage, ect..

I personally will wait as long as it takes for prices to return to a realistic level. In the mean time I’ll continue saving as hard as I can.

I feel that the current situation is going to cause a whole series of problems for society as a whole and these will be devastating in the long run. Unfortunately the interests of those at the top of the chain have been so that nothing has been done to curb what has happened. It’s been the opposite effect as they are all into property.

I think when we live in a society now where even the most basic on accommodation is beyond the means of many it’s a very sad situation.

Greed and corruption have created this and I have very little sympathy with a lot of these people.

I’m no expert on the housing market but can only conclude if the current situation continues Britain will face terrible consequences in the future.


Ade

Another load of ballcocks. Even oop north prices have started to fall. In London and the South East we are well into a crash. Okay prices in the north and Wales and anywhere else where no bugger wants to live and where you could buy a corrie street terrace for a packet of fags may have gone in in the first 6 months of 2004. A terrace going up from 40k to 50k is a 25% increase - what does it mean - feck all! A detached place in the South East going down 10% might mean a fall from £500k to 450k - enough to buy said terrace.

If its still going up, and its still a good investment - how come even fat Kirsty said the market was stagnant. She must know, she's an expert. Why aren't all the tosser speculators still buying like it was going out of fashion. Is it that they have heard the message? You are a lone voice pal.

Surely you mean out of the market, ie forced to sell due to various personnel situations

I can't be bothered to feed the troll - its breath smells. Anyway, back to the program - I loved Krusty's idea that stagnation has continued as there aren't any properties coming onto the market. For someone who deals in houses, surely she must occasionally look in estate agents' windows? The properties are piling up BUT THEY AREN'T SHIFTING AS THERE ARE NO FTBs. The goon.

Lets hope so

Troll

I didnt see it,
But I think Kisrsty is becoming the Poster child of the Era of Housing greed.

After denial, and collapse, she will be the target of much anger.
Well deserved perhaps?

Maybe, all I'll say is look at the scenarios;

- an occupier dies.. the house is sold.
- a couple divorce.. neither can afford the others share.. the house is sold.
- family need more space for a new child.. they need to sell.

Now when does someone have to buy rather than rent?

The odds are in the bears favour in a falling market

Well said Ade - my heart goes out to you. You just stick in there - you'll be ok. Just tell ALL your friends to come to HPC - and stick to your guns - I wish you all the very very best. You have hit the nail on the head. You're in my prayers.

Let's chill everyone.

ITV aren't exactly the intellectual power-house of the media world. Their last big bearish programme was provocative, but they can't afford to be too negative about the market prospects.

Why?

Well, firstly, and foremost in my mind, we know what happened last time - after and during the 89-94 crash people wanted someone to blame, and someone (probably wrigglescum or one of his ilk) pointed the finger at the "medjah".

This bubble has now grown so large, any economist with half a brain could tell you what is going to happen. But who is going to do the decent thing, and end the misery? Of course, we know that they'd be doing UK plc a huge favour in the long term, but in short term most folk happily trot out the "expensive property good, cheap property bad" like the good consumers they're supposed to be. (New Labour loves people's outlook - have you seen the "lowest mortgage rates for 40 years" poster yet? like that is down to gordon brown anyway.) Mervyn King has probably done enough already as it is, but most folk don't realise it - they'll still look for a scapegoat when the serious falls occur. No major media institution wants to be tarred with the "caused a house price crash" brush, or for that matter be shown to be wrong; we're still in the "denial" phase, afterall.

The second factor for ITV, is the amount of bank/building society advertsising revenues they must be getting - could a discrete word have been put in their ear?

The smart media is already quite casual about "weakening house prices damaging consumer confidence". As for ITV's programme, despite the rubbish from claptrap woman, was it really a "GO OUT AND BUY NOW!!!" show? It only has to raise enough doubt in FTBers' minds to "wait and see", more people to decide to sell to rent (though, unless they're ruthless, they've left it too late already), etc etc and that will create significant falls. That is what we are seeing in London already.

Thanks for joing the forum Ade, plenty of people here would agree with you by the way, unless the market changes soon, this country is properly screwed. As it is, I see a recession in the pipeline.

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