This scottish website is now showing England/Wales prices free until Jan18.
It's currently showing all prices since the last couple of years. No more £2 to landregistry everytime. It's showing completed ones up to end of Oct2004 from the searches I've done.

This could help the crash, when people realise what houses are really going for.

http://www.nethouseprices.com/

http://www.nethouseprices.com/Property_New..._for_Consumers/

You can tell which dumbos have probably paid the asking price because it has 995 or 950 still at the end. nobody pays the asking price any more. Even in the boom days very few people paid the asking price.

sorry if it's already posted, I did a search on here first. didn't find anything.

I did a search on connaught square.
didn't some nobby just pay £3.5 mill. I'm assuming it's similar to number 22.


PLEASE DO NOT COPY AND PASTE INFO FROM NETHOUSEPRICE.COM AS THIS IS AGAINST THEIR AGREEMENT WITH THE LAND REGISTRY.

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Excellent site, i've just signed up. being very nosey now!

yes it's interesting.

Harry Redknapp paid 2.6 mill for his gaff in Poole.
Damien Duff paid 2.45 mill for his in Esher.

Houses down Allslop's street have gone for...... (not the 3 flats)
£792,500
£1,112,888
£1,050,000

rich bitch.

Thanks!! Thats a brilliant heads up!

I've looked at the number of sales locally (you can enter just the first part of the postcode and get a list of all properties for the last 2 years.. over a lot of pages)... and added up the sales per month.. with a stunning result, which as a bear even surprised me.

Number of sales per month
Jan-03 44
Feb-03 57
Mar-03 48
Apr-03 47
May-03 58
Jun-03 60
Jul-03 72
Aug-03 67
Sep-03 70
Oct-03 82
Nov-03 80
Dec-03 63
Jan-04 72
Feb-04 52
Mar-04 80
Apr-04 102
May-04 72
Jun-04 73
Jul-04 99
Aug-04 77
Sep-04 39
Oct-04 15

15 sales in October 04!! To put it into perspective there are 30 Estate agents listed in the same postcode in the yellow pages... no wonder none of them were open today

I have heard our Prime Minister called many names, but a nobby, that`s a new one, but I like it.

Hmmmm its interesting, my street everything seems to be selling for about 20k less that i would expect looking in estate agents windows, somethings are still selling at Jan 2003 prices:

£104,000 for number 83, 14/05/03
£110,000 for number 80, 01/07/04

Also looks odd number 85 sold for £63,265 on 26/03/04!!!! auction? Definatly need to have a look on the street when i get back after christmas. Hmmm i wonder if it would be possible to download all the information into Excel for a single town/city?

It is.. tho I must admit I did my downloading manually based on a postcode district (eg AB10 or AB11 etc).. only took half an hour to save 96 pages, and a little script to generate a csv, from the html files... which was then imported into excel.

Of course the information is for my own private benifit

Value wise.. only had one definate check.. a property in the block that sold in sept.. got the price 2nd hand from my landlord.. same price on nethouseprices.

Oh, I forgot about the Land Registry figures... The BTL a few doors away from me which supposedly went for 250K went for 145K.

My half brother's house which was sold this year is not listed but houses in the same road are all over the place, some as low as 93K and others as high as 162K but all basically the same house... the ones sold in 2003 all went for under 100K, the first one sold in January of this year went for 105K and then they climbed up to 145K and 162K during the Summer till end of September.... so basically some plonkers have paid over 60K more for a house less than 12 months after others....

A house I looked at 2 years ago which was then expensive at 145K went in October for 260K.

In my area houses are not what I expected and seem to be all over the place in terms of price. Very odd but very, very interesting.... but certinaly it shows an enormous bubble in the last 12 months with some streets doubling in price for hosues which are more or less the same....

Houses sold in Swansea (Swansea Bay area which includes the City of Swansea, the Gower, Neath and Port Talbot.) shows some interesting dramatic drops between the late Summer/Autumn of 03 and 04... but it does show that ridiculous bubble that has existed within Swansea with, in the past 12 months, a large numer of properties doubling in price.... the ripples of a stone thrown in the London property market... :-)

OCT 04 89
SEPT 04 206
AUG 04 266
JUL 04 441
JUN 04 408
MAY 04 399
APR 04 464
MARCH 04 397
FEB 04 279
JAN 04 306

DEC 03 426
NOV 03 479
OCT 03 521
SEPT 03 480
AUG 03 499
JUL 03 491
JUN 03 462
MAY 03 422
APR 03 373
MARCH 03 374
FEB 03 320
JAN 03 334

Below are 3 storey terraced Victorian houses which were once mostly family and which have been turned mostly into BTL for the nearby University and Hospital market. It is FASCINATING indeed to look at the houses, which are basically all the same, which have been sold in the past 13 months. Is this an indication of a BTL driven bubble methinks?

Someone bought 37 and made a cool 25K profit before bailing quickly whilst No 39
just 8 months later went for a whopping 95K MORE but then someone sold it within 2 months for what they had paid... interesting... so one would assume they LOST money on that deal...

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Or these 'executive' houses in Sketty - some people bought and sold in a couple of months and made some nice little profits. No 18 in particular.

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Is this information going to be available free forever?

Zzg,


Nah. Until Jan. 18th 2005.

It's a shame we can't download all of the information about every postcode in the country from their website and save it for future HPC reference. That would be a really, really useful treasure trove of information for analysing the property market.

Probably can download it all.
If someone points me to a complete list of postcode areas, then I can write a script to nick their data :-)

Slapkirsty, Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

I have now managed to log onto this site. It is EXCELLENT!!!

When the time is right this information will be my one huge bargaining tool. It will cut out all the crap from estate agents, lenders and other vested interests. Here is the proof in black and white how much properties have been SOLD for in any particular street.

Thanks once again.

I can't find a way to get it to display all data. But I have found that only 1 letter is needed in the postcode field. So all data can be obtained by just 26 searches (well, less, I dont think that "x" is a postcode)

I should be able to get that for you...give me a couple of days. I assume you only really need the prefix and maybe the first character of the suffix?

Heres some data, a bit comical in parts, a good read though

LONDON (AFX) - UK house prices fell in December, confirming that higher interest
rates are causing the housing market to cool, according to Nationwide, the UK's
largest building society.

December house prices fell 0.2 pct from November and were up just 12.7 pct from
a year earlier, the lowest annual inflation rate for almost three years.

The average price stood at 152,623 stg, it said.

In November, prices were up a revised 0.9 pct from October and rose 15.0 pct
year-on-year, while the average house cost 153,439 stg.

In London, prices rose just 1.0 pct over the second half of 2004.

"The evidence is consistent with house prices 'treading water' in most regions",
Nationwide said.

A sharp downturn in prices "cannot be completely ruled out", but whilst the
economic outlook remains positive it "looks unlikely", it said.

Nationwide expects house prices to end 2005 up between 0 and 5 pct, probably
towards the bottom end of this range at around 2 pct.

"Developments over the course of 2004 were much as we had been expecting with
some regions, including the North and Wales, experiencing a rapid deceleration
in price growth over the latter part of the year," said Alex Bannister,
Nationwide's Group Economist.

Although monthly house price inflation is now much weaker than earlier in the
year, the trend in prices remains moderately upwards, he said.(yeah right)

Over the 12 months to October 2004, activity slowed most sharply in Yorkshire &
Humberside, the East Midlands and the North, while London and Scotland saw the
smallest year-on-year drop in activity, the building society said.


jkm/jc

I was thinking the same thing but guess there is 4-5GB of downloading to do.. bit much for a 56kbps modem

Attached is a text file with the postcodes I'm using to monitor the number of EA offices.

Giraffe cat- yep sorry wrong thread just got all excited you know how it is.

Yeah, I know, I deleted my question to you because I thought you posted this before I started the Nationwide thread (me and my brain are starting to fall out with each other)

Anyway, nethouseprices, yeah. So searching with the 1st letter of the postcode we can get all data from 26 (or less) searches. is that the fastest way?

Can't see these numbers - where are they shown?

Interesting profit here - over 76K profit or increase, dependent upon how you look at it, in 16 months. Is this perhaps a bubble? This is a Barratt/Redrow type home. I looked at this about 3 years ago now when it was 145K and felt it was over-priced then.

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Elsewhere in Swansea it shows a new estate, that I only just learnt about, of about a dozen houses that back at the begining of 03 were going for 180K, quickly shot up to 220K and NOW are on the market for 335 to 350K! OUCH!!!


This is the economics of the MADHOUSE!

It says..

Searches by street name, post code or town are available. Membership is free and all information may be viewed at no cost until 18 January 2005 and by variable duration subscriptions with unlimited access to over 2million records from less than £5 thereafter.

Is that £5 per year?, I hope so, but doubt it.
£5 per month would be a bit much, but still worth it, if it saves you £5K on a house.

Probably.. another method without using postcodes appears to allow the url

http://www.nethouseprices.com/index.php?op...d&Itemid=&row=??

where ?? is between 1 and 2,086,761 (ie there are 2,086,761 sales)

.. it would also allow saving of the house type / tenure / new build fields

But you would need a fast connection tho

I certainly would use it once the market has fallen and I am looking for a property as it will give info that could well save you a large sum of cash. My only concern is that it does not list one house which I know got sold back in the Summer so it makes me wonder if some info is missing.

Is there any reason why a house that was sold does not show up on the Land Registry data - perhaps it was 'exchanged' or even reclaimed by the lender? Anyone know?

Have a look on the land registry site and see when the 'Last Updated' date changed on that property. It may not have got through to Land Reg yet, also nethouseprices data seems to be 2 months behind.

£5 a month is still a lot cheaper than the Land registry online (£2 per prop), although with the Land Registry you can go back a lot further.

how do you download results from nethouseprices, I don't see a button to do it.

cut/paste every page? surely not. maybe a script?

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Hi all

Just had a look at the site, and it seems that some of the prices are wrong. I.e. I looked at a house my sister bought in Deal, Kent, and the price shown is 7.5k higher than the price she paid for it.

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Dunks

This is very interesting. Surely not that house price figures have been massaged???? Wouldn't that be illegal? Who on earth would benefit from doing so?

Our house sale completed in early April 2004 but it's missing from the Nethouseprices website. However, it does appear on the Land Registry site with a 'last updated date' of 25th May 2004.

Perhaps this is just a subset of data for the purposes of testing the website. Or perhaps these 'missing transactions' have been held back by Nethouseprices.com to protect their data/investment ?

Has anyone come up with a better solution than this? I have broadband and easily enough hard drive space to store 5-6GB of data.

I just typed in Swansea and it brought up all the houses sold in Swansea, Neath and Port Talbot.

What are you trying to do - get all the houses? Try *.* in one of the fields.

Slapkirsty, how did you find the nethouseprices.com site? Were you just doing random searches when you stumbled across it?

The owner of the site posted on moneysavingexpert.
nobody replied to it.

It takes 32 seconds

Just cheched the price on the house I sold in Oct 03 and the price is £2500 short of what I sold it for, are these mortgage figures less deposit or agents fees or something?

Not only is it an excellent site, it is also very sobering indeed.
Houses in the area I am interested in seem to have increased over 35% in 18 months. The interesting thing is looking up a specific street and seeing the same house selling 3 times in 18 months for very sizeable gains. Sobering, because it is real money, not just estimates from experts etc.
It tells me that this level of increase is clearly unsustainable, and we are in a bubble. The parallels with the dot.com boom are clear................

When I appeared in the London Tonight Programme in August 2004, Kirsty Alsop slated me for having sold-ro-rent a year before, because I had "missed out on another 20% gain".

I have checked my estate (a block of newbuilts built in 1998) on Nethouseprices. The house two doors down the road, which is identical to mine sold 6 months after my sale for £5k more (my sale price was £280k). In 2004, two more houses in the estate were sold for £315k, but these were bigger and were £20k more expensive to start with when the estate was built.

The conclusion is, in my old street there have been, if anything, minimal gains of less than 5% since I STRed in August 2003. Get that Kirsty?

Same here. When I sold in October 2003 I got 180k. Mine was the cheapest house on the estate when new (the only one at that price). No other houses in the next band up which were 10k more have sold for more than 190k since then so I can safely say I chose the right time to get out.

Plus it meant I could start up my own business with the safety of the equity if it all went pearshaped, which has worked out blindingly well.

The site has been suspended because of you lot trying to download data

This may not apply in England or Wales, but in Scotland if you pay, say, 100,000 for a house, you can say that 2000 quids' worth of that is for fixtures and fittings, which you don't pay stamp duty on.

So although the seller receives 100,000, the sale is registered as 98,000.

Your buyer may have done something similar.

Does that help?

Don't think you can do that in england/wales, but a common practice is to buy fixtures and fittings seperately from the house at vastly inflated prices in order to avoid going over the stamp duty threshold. Eg, if a vendor wants £280k, there are stories of the house being sold for £249,999, and 30k personal cheque for a fridge and some fittings...

It is working for me. There is the following message at the top of my search:

"During our free access period users are restricted to a total of 200 search result pages until 18 January 2005."

Is that new? I can't remember seeing it before.

Edit: They changed it again, see slapkirsty's post further down.

It also now reads:

" During our free access period users are restricted to a total of 1000 record result pages with prices until 18 January 2005"

Yes, but in that case surely Consa, as the seller, would have known such shenanigans had taken place?

expensive? ... Subscription info from front page,

Free access ends on 18 January 2005. After that most of our information will still be free but house prices for the most recent year will be visible on payment of a time based subscription. Subscribers can view unlimited results.

48 hours £3.95
1 month £14.95
3 months £29.95

Annual, professional and multi-user subscriptions will also be available.

They've just changed it so that you have to click on details before you get the price. before you got all the prices up together (much better).
must stop people downloading now.

Umm,

So much for FREEdom of information. Should public stats, compiled by publicly funded bodies be charged for at all? Hasn't this information already been paid for in various forms of tax?

How are we ever going to get all that info?

The 48 hour subscription sounds reasonable. It would be worth paying for it when you need it.